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Q. Though Bajirao Mastani might have won the clash domestically. Still Dilwale is far more profitable than Bajirao. Don’t you think verdict of Dilwale will be same as Bajirao Mastani?
A. Verdicts are confusing these days, not just for the people who follow collections and verdicts, but even for us.. because there are so many factors involved. In today’s times, there is tremendous pressure on websites like us and even trade analysts to be more lenient. Verdicts are no longer strict. Trade analysts like Komal Nahta (Film Information, ETC) used to be very strict when it came to verdicts before, but now even they follow official collections and verdicts. One of the reasons for this is to create perception that a film starring a big actor hasn’t failed and two, there is pressure from fans – which has only increased because of social media.
In olden times, verdicts used to given purely on the basis of recovery of domestic distributors. If that’s the case, Dilwale is a FLOP in India. There are no two ways about this. Shah Rukh Khan sold territories for a high price to distributors and some of them haven’t even recovered half of their investment. Rajasthan distributor, who paid 8.5 crore for the film, will lose about 4.5 crore of his investment. The verdict simply does not matter. The trade knows the truth and that is, Dilwale has failed in the domestic market. The same applies to even a film like Jai Ho.
For Shah Rukh Khan, the producer, Dilwale is a hugely profitable film. The overseas share could be as high as 65 crore plus and that along with satellite rights, he would have recovered his investment. Recovery from domestic, music and everything else are his profits – which all combined could be close to Rs 100 crore. But these profits come at a cost of local distributors suffering huge losses. In other words, Dilwale would have been profitable for Shah Rukh Khan even if it collected 10 crore in India or didn’t release at all.
Since Dilwale has done blockbuster business in the overseas markets, it’s final overall verdict would be Above Average or Semi Hit in the best case.
On the other hand, since you ask about Bajirao Mastani, the film is a profitable venture for everyone involved. No one will lose money. The simple reason for this is, Bajirao Mastani has over-performed both in overseas and domestic markets. It has exceeded expectations wherever it has released. Dilwale has only performed well overseas.
If films verdict given by distributer price then kick should have been Flop too as many distributer buy kick higher than D3
@Bollyfan. Pls wake up. Ur Dilwale is now a Flopwale. Stop comparing SRK and Salman. SRK caused this box office clash. If he had common sense, he would have known that his Dilwale had no content and would have moved his movie to another date. But he always thinks he owned the entire world that’s why he is getting what is happening to him. Now u say, he should not shift his Raees for Sultan. When Salman starts dealing with him at box office, u will come out and say because Sultan has a better content than Raees or that’s because of cancellations and protests. Seriously, ur SRK needs to wake up and do the right thing- avoid box office clashes or lose. And for the record, ur SRK is no king. Now help him by giving him some common sense.
What a joke. If dilwale id not a glop then talaash is suprrhit because talaash’s budget was merely 40 Cr and it earned 95 Cr in India and also was superhit in overseas. So it is superhit all over. If you count overseas for srk then same should apply for talaash. Even Ra.one was not a clean hit because I earned way less than its budget including tax and distributor’s share went in to losses. Now its proved why srk is called as media created star. Media always overhypes his stardom and tries to defame other bigger stars’s success.
Very nice article.
But does that mean tha distibutors will be more careful of paying huge amount for next SRK or Rohit Shetty movie?
Hahaha, Some Salman fans like @ashok is very silly. First of all there is nothing wrong to talk jai ho with dilwale, Dilwale may be a holiday release but it also faced clash. Second Salman is one man army than how can a Salman starrer termed a Bgrade film. Film directed by Sohail khan and Salman family production, Daisy shah was a newcomer that time so no need to termed her B grade. Jai ho has Tabu & Mohnish behl as supporting cast and cameo respectively. Jai ho was a failure for distributer. Salman himself accepted that than who are you to insult the other actors who associated with that film.What is the need to a superstar Salman to work with a B grade team, doesn’t he has preveledge to select top team. In other word you guys insulting Jai ho and Salman both. In your word Salman after a year gap come with a b grade film.
The Bajirao Mastani success has give a clear message to everyone that only a good film can perform better (here good film means liked by audience not critics).Whether it is Salman, SRk or Aamir and anybody. Aamir with talaash, Salman with jai ho shows that how festive releases benefit them. Srk films like Ra1,jthj,HNY could be a clear flop at bo if they were non holiday or under performers like Talaash and jai ho.
Other thing those Idiots who are saying Aamir is top because of his good films than tell me why your fav actors are chasing records of his, unko akal nahi h kya achi films ki.
Aamir from Ghajini to 2015, ended Athg with his name with continous 7 years at the time when superstars or big fan following stars Srk and Salman are behind him in number game. Sorry for harsh words but it simply feel bad when c***yas talking nonsense.
@universal flop king, aamir’s crap movie Dhoom 3 was ATBB in India and overseas. apni aukaat me reh. He has much bigger fan base tahn loser Srk who needs big banners, multi starrers and over the top promotions to give a hit. Flopwaale is a disaster. Kahan raja bhoj aur kahan gangu taili. Kahan megastar aamir khan aur kahan chota struggling actor sarookh khan.
@indicine team, so why baby movie above average??
Baby budget 73cr.. and total collection 96.50cr from domestic and Dilwale budget 145cr, collectIon 130cr till date but you excuses as above average verdict. Buy why?Can you explain us?
Indicine is srkian site and Aamir fans also include
Honestly I am no much longer interested in BO records. I am waiting for fan and raees because of their quality. Even if they flop, I hope they leave a mark in terms of quality and as a fan I want srk back in hid CDI, Swadesh days. No more raj, Rahul, Charlie, kali, samar Anand, g.one kind if roles. He should now do only different roles.
Some Salman fans say that he is bigger star than srk. Lol. We all know what Salman is without south remakes, good movies. BB had excellent wom, prdp was a solo release and other were either south remakes or masala movies. Otherwise no one watches his movies in theaters. Even his so called fans also watch his films in tv rather than theaters.
@indicine if now factors does nt count on what baseless factors did u say dat protest and bm affected dilwale bm aldo faced protest and clashed of mighty srk and did not hav a superstar also still going to touch 170. From now on never say that factors does not affect d verdicts. U hav to consider kai ho 116 2 years back less ticket price low production without hit song is much greater than dilwale just look at footfall of both movie and see d difference
@Chuhe my loyal “JACK” 9:30 pm : Who said, HNY’s collections are fine? They too, are questionable. But I am just playing with data like you did. And PRDP’s opening day collection was 41.75 cr :
http://www.indicine.com/movies/bollywood/prem-ratan-dhan-payo-records-2nd-highest-opening-day-of-all-time/
So if rounding off 41.75 to 42 (which is mathematically correct) makes me a manipulator , then what should we call you who is trying to cut down 41.75 to 41? A shameless loser, may be ??
Coming to your next point, as I said , you can say for an instance, that even HNY collections are questionable. But brought all these UP ? Its you, who were busy flaunting about your mathematical skills by forging and manipulating the data (questioning HNY opening day figure) and you completely ignored PRDP collections from your “Mathematical raadr” and since now I arrived with a similar comparison, you started sweating. Why So??
Now I got to know why every poll win by srk
@xzone,he is the co producer thats why he knows that the budget is 160crs.
@universal truth,according to salmans fans logic he is enough to make any movie blockbuster then why make excuses.
@ sky accebt ghajini is a above avrage if raone flops…2-4 filmo ke dum pe bhonka nahi karte bete…your hatred shows clearly…where the hell lucky come here…
@Chuhe the real “JACK” 9:54 pm : May I know , in which school you are studying which can’t give you basic lessons of English ? Or you are suffering from “dyslexia” and thus you can’t make out what is written there. You fool, I was talking about the gap between ETT and Jai Ho because one of your stupid mate chanted about Jai Ho being non-holiday release. So I was replying him that Salman was coming with Jai Ho after complete 1.5 years and distributors were ready to put huge money on him. But they lost there investment as Jai Ho failed miserably in few territories.
Of course, I was not “reading” , but I was “Studying” in some xyz school and now I am well settled. But now I suggest you to join some school and take dedicated English lessons instead of wasting your time here as that “Studying” will improve your “Reading” !!!
I hope you understand this sarcasm if you have moderate level of IQ :D :P
@Indicine
just tell the truth because many people trust you but choose your best (sharuk) and support him try to be neutral and think criticality. you’re manipulating people by always trying to promote your best.this is the only way to destroy ur business
sharuk fall and you too wanna fall like him
dilwale is a flop movie due to distributors marketing but for sharuk it’s a profitable movie
@indicine Would you like to tell you Dilwale good flop in India say it does not matter. I know very well about the movie business and I know cinema. You wish you were in a movie that Shah Rukh Khan was lower than expected sales in India and Well unfortunately you get your wish. Dilwale do not flop in India.
In the worst case Dilwale was not named as the average sales flop.
Shah Rukh Khan is at most 20 years of Indian cinema after the failure of eating for you and likes you wish. Like the rest of the cast is not that just a few years they could sell films shot by the power of Shah Rukh Khan.
King Khan Shahrukh Khan were always the best.
Everyone knows that the King of Bollywood Shah Rukh Khan were.
As far as v seen there is not any talk about screen size both movie release..even indicine not point about that…why and how…every one iz so desprate to prove dilwale failour…u can read WHAT IS A HIT…it give some idea…HATERS CAN READ lykes of SKY HRITHIK REAL TIGER…
@Sem, box office verdict have absolutely nothing to do with screen count or any other factor that affects the business of the film.
God is not interested in movies or movie making only people are so leave God alone from these comments
Who knows the budget of PRDP BM ??? How much it sold to distributors???
Let consider BB & PRDP salman get 50 cr then how much total budget ???
2800 screens mein 225 crores ka buisness koi bhi movie nahi kar sakti
Ye distributers ki galti hai ki unhone dilwale ko high price pe kharida
RCE ne dilwale se bahut profit kamaya hai
So dilwale is a super hit
Haters bark
@sem if ghajini is above average then DDLJ, kkhh, CE are all time disasters if I apply your logic. You jerk, ghajini is all time blockbuster and RS.one is a flop. Admit the truth you lungiwaala.
just to please srk fans you are favouring haklu , if question is ask on dhawan ,you come to support srk ,if question is about highest grosser of 2k16 then you talk about raees which have no chance to be that, when question is about verdict then you take a 2yrs old film of salman to compare and again give support for srk , and compare the opening of dilwale to pk and favour dilwale by saying the former has better opening …
Then say protest and show cancel harmed srk but for other it works as publicity like pk???
No way dilwale’s opening better than pk
pk belonged to a social drama genre while dilwale was a mass entertainer with chartbuster songs
compare it with dhoom 3 and kick
else compare MNIK with pk and bb
@sem if Ghajini is above average than all the films srk has done his career are below average. Stop thinking yourself intelligent. Ghajini was made with budget of 50cr and it’s distributer share itself was more than 50cr. Ra1 budget was min 100cr, though before release it was 135cr suddenly was down with 100cr, its share from fonrsyic was 63cr only. If it wasn’t a flop than I think no film should termed at box office flop. Regarding trade whatever the verdict has given, in perception of public it is a flop as even from overseas its share was less than 25cr. Don’t be a smart bufforny. And its not 1 success its been 4 in last 7 years. Srk delivering flop on Christmas ROFL. Ab le aa srk boi ranking. Srk top actor in 1994 with not a single hit. Hahaha.
@mera ghulam:
Read here http://www.indicine.com/movies/bollywood/prdp-first-week-box-office-collections/
PRDP opening day collections were 40.35cr not 42cr as you pretending by counting with red chilli’s calculator.
You double standard lunatic haven’t answered yet why do you believe BOI’s verdict & #indicine’s collections???
@sem there us no need to me thing how films declared hits. I don’t even care. We have a film like talaash who can termed semi hit with 93cr domestic (45cr domestic share)collection on one side with 22cr overseas shares (54cr was gross) with a budget of 45cr. While the likes of Jthj and Don 2 where domestic share wasn’t even equal to budget of those films are hits. Irony. Srk is definitely lucky in those verdict game. Aamir enjoyed ATBB only because the excessive box office success compare to others in recent time. Look at BOI they are saying Ishq Superhit & Rangeela blockbuster while they were semi hit for them for years. The whole trade game is manipulated from years. Especially now a days with social sites era.
@Sky you gave a fitting reply to all megastar Aamir khan haters. They are as useless as their useless stars’ useless films.
@indicine expect rajistan maharastra n CI Dilwale is profitable for distributer all over India