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Q. Though Bajirao Mastani might have won the clash domestically. Still Dilwale is far more profitable than Bajirao. Don’t you think verdict of Dilwale will be same as Bajirao Mastani?
A. Verdicts are confusing these days, not just for the people who follow collections and verdicts, but even for us.. because there are so many factors involved. In today’s times, there is tremendous pressure on websites like us and even trade analysts to be more lenient. Verdicts are no longer strict. Trade analysts like Komal Nahta (Film Information, ETC) used to be very strict when it came to verdicts before, but now even they follow official collections and verdicts. One of the reasons for this is to create perception that a film starring a big actor hasn’t failed and two, there is pressure from fans – which has only increased because of social media.
In olden times, verdicts used to given purely on the basis of recovery of domestic distributors. If that’s the case, Dilwale is a FLOP in India. There are no two ways about this. Shah Rukh Khan sold territories for a high price to distributors and some of them haven’t even recovered half of their investment. Rajasthan distributor, who paid 8.5 crore for the film, will lose about 4.5 crore of his investment. The verdict simply does not matter. The trade knows the truth and that is, Dilwale has failed in the domestic market. The same applies to even a film like Jai Ho.
For Shah Rukh Khan, the producer, Dilwale is a hugely profitable film. The overseas share could be as high as 65 crore plus and that along with satellite rights, he would have recovered his investment. Recovery from domestic, music and everything else are his profits – which all combined could be close to Rs 100 crore. But these profits come at a cost of local distributors suffering huge losses. In other words, Dilwale would have been profitable for Shah Rukh Khan even if it collected 10 crore in India or didn’t release at all.
Since Dilwale has done blockbuster business in the overseas markets, it’s final overall verdict would be Above Average or Semi Hit in the best case.
On the other hand, since you ask about Bajirao Mastani, the film is a profitable venture for everyone involved. No one will lose money. The simple reason for this is, Bajirao Mastani has over-performed both in overseas and domestic markets. It has exceeded expectations wherever it has released. Dilwale has only performed well overseas.
Aajkal Sabse ghatiya movies he aaj sabse jyada kamai karti hai
Isliye he salman no1 par hai
Aamir no 2 par hai
Srk sabse best hai
Wo is list mein hai he nahi
He is a legend
@Indicine :
WTH man? How can you be so biased ? Dilwale’s budget is around 100cr & lifetime 140-150 crores , does all time blockbuster business in overseas still just a semi hit ? must be out of mind.
I don’t say anything when you target SRK or praise Salman for no reason, i do ignore , and i have done it countless times before but this time i have to say doesn’t matter even if you mind it since you have crossed every limit of being biased just to happy salman fans & SRK’s haters..
By looking at the budget of Dilwale and its domestic and overseas business Dilwale has to be a ”clean hit” in worst case, if not a ”superhit” as i have said before .
You give producer figure but for verdicts you follow BOI (which i have noticed several times), and especially for SRK’s films which i am sure you know much better than me about it.. Why you’re doing this man? if you follow producer figures than give producer verdicts instead of BOI’s being biased, if not then simply follow BOI for everything.. PRDP is just a hit acc to BOI but you made it a superhit? how? (& you didn’t think about BOI’s verdict when Salman’s time came) but you always remember BOI when you give verdict for SRK’s films like (JTHJ, Don 2, Hny and now Dilwale), that’s extremely sad to read and see your such behave being a old and regular visiter of your site..
If Dilwale is a semi hit than PRDP is a semi-hit too. and jai ho is a clean flop..
and the most funniest thing was when you compared Dilwale with a film and solo release like Jai ho which bombed in domestic without any competation as well as badly bombed in overseas, while look at Dilwale’s overseas performance ? how can any take Jai ho (which which did a disaster business outside India) type failure name with Dilwale? even Dilwale domestic performance good, yeah not excellent but with so much disadvantages it performed well but still you’re saying it is just a semi-hit? this is the most unfair and the most biased thing you have ever done and said. If Dilwale is just a semi-hit (instead of clean Hit/superhit) with 100cr budget, lifetime 140-150cr domestic and 165cr + from overseas in first phase it self and 350cr + gross, then each and every film is a clean ”flop” and films like PRDP, Jai ho etc are all time flops/disasters.. and one more thing i am sure by doing such things and behaving like this you will lose many regular visiters, first one will be me, who follows you from long time and i always respected you but you lost all the respect today and will lose completely if you keep doing such unfair things or if you give semi-hit verdict instead of ” hit ” @Indicine team , and i am being kind .
Dilwale is hit in india and alltime blockbuster in overseas. Its has already crossed 20Milion overseas. Shame on intolerant indians. Srk rules nd will always rules. Love u srk. Proud to be srkian.
Srk rule the 90s, he won 4 best actor awards on top of that he had 2 atbb, MPK can’t be included as it released in the 80s. Salman fan’s have no shame adding KKHH in the collection of salman’s atbb, when he just played one those insignificant side extended guest appearance roles, that’s like dil to pagal hai is akshay hit lol. Srk also gave more memorable original performance character orientated role, for salman I cant recall one movie in the 90s that stood out. none of the films salman gots hits were credited to him, saajan, it was sanjay dutts and madhuri’s film, especially dutt,, ditto HAHK, jeet was sunny deol’s film handsdown, Hum saath saath hain, HDDCS, has dominated by other actors, HDDCS ash was the main actress and ajay was show stealer, biwi no.1 was named after karishma kapoors characters, but I’ll pass on that since he was involved in that film, his only movies where he actually dominated the film is judwaa, sanam bewafa, and bhandan, all of them forgettable films.
@,star wars beta ddlg, sholay, hahk ….etc hamesa nhi banti hai and just like your’s so called star bhaaijan know for masala south crap remakes & also gave back to back flops in a row but luckily he got content oriented bajarangi bhaaijan which was not open huge open same like his previous kick but tremendous wom made it bigg otherwise prdp open with 40 cr marks nd any how crawling reached to 200 marks without clash with 5000 screen
so it’s not a big deal if bajirao gross ahed dilwale in domestic according to indicine it is surpass prdp collection in some circuit already so now your’s ranvir papa above salman now ???? I doubt u have brain or brainless like Maine pyaar kiya & hahk for salman just same bajirao for Ranveer Singh do you think Ranveer Singh will give another movie above bajirao in next couple of year??? than why his lootera, kill dill etc didn’t cross even 30 cr mark so stop commenting nonsense like this
waise v beta agar tumhare bhaaijaan ki koi clash even average v gyi ho chalo less than disaster v gayi ho ?? tab baat karo lagata h tum bhul gye one film old ranbir kapoor bachana ae haseeno (semi hit) v/s god tussi great ho (disaster) tabhi v toh clash tha na yaar ??? aur v batau ??? chalo rehne do pata toh hoga hi tumhe
has u ever think if your’s bhaai movies jai ho, prdp clash with movie like Tanu weds manu or ashiqui 2 type movie than it crossed even 50cr and 100cr??? so pehle clash k sath average even flop v do phir baat karna ok
@Chuhe my loyal JACK 12:34 am : You fool, didn’t you see the link which I posted, before shoving off a different link to me ?
http://www.indicine.com/movies/bollywood/prem-ratan-dhan-payo-records-2nd-highest-opening-day-of-all-time/
This also was published by indicine itself. So if you want to argue, argue with them that why they published two different collections on different pages. It’s not like I have gone and edited these collections on their page. It’s there on record.
Coming to your verdict claim, when did I say I believe in the verdicts of BOI. I always follow the official collections and verdict and going forward with that, Dilwale final collections are yet to arrive and so is the verdict. So where is the conflict?
@indicine:it’s interesting how the verdict have been given
If any film distribution right is sold at ATBB amount and does blockbuster business is referred ATBB.if any film distribution right is sold blockbuster business and does superhit business is referred as blockbuster. If any film distribution right is sold at blockbuster and does hit business is referred as flop
considering the BO collection in India ,Dilwale is Semi hit or plus !! 100 crore budget- 135 crore collection ,35 crore profit !!
chill guys , paisa koi bhi film kama le , lekin film ka paisa humare jeb se Hi jaayega !!
@indicneSimply becuase dilwale lost huge juck of money from some major disturbutor cannot refered as flop does bussiness of West Bengal, Bihar, Assam, Orissa, Nizam / Andhra ,Mysore and Tamil Nadu / Kerala does not contribute to movie verdict
@Sem-not so sensible, you illiterate lungi waala first you better get the knowledge about box office and trades then talk rubbish. Stop opening your fake logical paglapuri mouth. Everyone has declared ghajini as ATBB and it is officially ATBB the whole world knows this uneverdal truth them who the hell are you lungi waala paglapuri to deny and argue. The fact is as straight and simple that ghajini is ATBB and if its above average then ddlj, kkhh and ce are all disasters and srk hasn’t given a single hit in his whole crap mediocre career. Get this in your head you illiterate lungi waala. This is your logic so I need to show you the mirror. I hope you drink some complain and get some basic growth for your brain.
harjit
since 2000 – 2010 how many HGOTY SRK give
@mera ghulam:
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January 1, 2016 at 8:45 pm
Cool. Dilwale is a semi-hit (Same as Jai Ho). So SRK continued his legacy as his last FLOP was Paheli way back in 2005.
Though I said it before, will say it again. Collections of Dilwale are disappointing for me and it not at all matches the standard of a film starring Shah Rukh Khan.”
Read the comment again you hypocrite. You clearly said that Jai Ho was a hit. But according to #indicine/official its verdict is above average.
Yes #indicine posted two different nos in different pages. So the same logic is applicable on me too. BTW, now you are advising me to argue with #indicine, but whenever I try to do so Tere Andar Mirchi Ghuss Jata Hai (eg- my comment hny’s opening day collections)!!!!
@dhakkan:
Jai Ho budget was around 55cr and collected around 115cr nett, which is more than two times of its budget. Still it is Disaster for you. PRDP is also a flop according to you despite collecting 1.5times more than excusewale (I can show your hundreds of comments calling Jai ho disaster and PRDP flop).
Excusewale’s budget is around 130cr and gonna collect around 145cr nett. But it is a clean hit for you… Height of HYPOCRISY!!!
@indicine,wow so much negativity against KING KHAN! How much you paid from salman khan to state DILWALE flop?why you added SRK’S FEES 30CR to increase budget of DILWALE?
then how prdp becomes even a hit?just because it earned more in oveseas?you declared it semi hit to super hit?
How can you declare based on loss of one distributor?even though you know how that film suffered due to protests and show cancellations?
But anyways during jai ho/talash from the day1 you supported from all negativity?but during DILWALE you spreaded negativity by saying it a flop?that shows your biasedness towards salman,amir.
So our only request is if you can’t support then at least don’t degrade them.so it’s our KIND REQUEST to you please give HIT VERDICT to DILWALE likewise you gave to RA ONE,MNIK,prdp with out any biasness.thanks.
@indicine,look at your double standardness with salman films.
http://www.indicine.com/movies/bollywood/prem-ratan-dhan-payo-hit-or-flop-box-office-prediction/
you predicted prdp-240cr will be hardly hit/super hit.
then how can you give it super hit verdict even after earning by collecting 207cr?while even after DILWALE collected 150cr you’ll declare it only semi hit instead of HIT VERDICT according to your own prediction?just because you like salman more than SRK,THAT’S WHY?
If you keep on contradict your own predictions/decissions not only people but also regular visitors like me will forcefully loose our trust,faith on you.so please give HIT VERDICT to DILWALE for the sake of your predictions and for the sake of people’s trust and your fanatic followers like me and the sake of your own site’s reputation,thanks.
Well well the king of clashes has lost it and it will be interesting to see how much Red Chillies manipulates the figures because right now BM is about 25 crores ahead and not just India but worldwide is waiting because if he pulls his tricks then he will have to reap consequences next year. Inside sources to Red Chillies have admitted that he has done this with all his films so he can say he is his self made king.
He can’t take his licks like a man what a sad day for Bollywood and others who still swallow every thing he says.
Now queen fans are threatening #indicine that if they do not declare excusewale a clean hit then they will leave #indicine forever….Hahahaha…
@rew 1 beta tu abhi junior kg me lagta hai…padh le bete verdict are not base on distributor return…ITS BASE ON DISTRIBUTOR SHARE…clearly said there if films judge on the base of DR then GHAJINI above average…grow up dont b idiotic u driverless cars mindless fan…nonsense
@mechanik:
In the same way #indicine also said that excusewale needed to collect 190cr to get hit/superhit verdict. Check here http://www.indicine.com/movies/bollywood/dilwale-hit-or-flop-box-office-prediction/.
You ANDHI loongiwala PRDP collected 213cr not 207cr (according to #indicine). Kuch bhi pata nahi toh phir comment kyu karta hai???
@sem gawaar, unpadh, wankhade hooligan fan, your IQ is even less than junior kg student. I am a already established businessman and I have my own company. What’s your aukaat you gawaar, illiterate slum dweller? Ghajini is all time blockbuster you psycho freak jerk. And DDLJ, kkhh, and ce are super disasters if you dare to even think about calling ghajini as above average. You are the only loon who is calling ghajini is above average while whole world knows and trades declared it as all time blockbuster. So live with it you smoking, overactor’s fan whose whole career relies on YRF, dharma and rohit shetty. Oops now even rohit shetty couldn’t save him. LOL.
@sem & loongiwalas:
If ghajini is just a above average despite having huge 115cr collections then rnbdj & OSO are DISASTERS with only 80cr collections…!!!
@rew1,actually your overactor midget fanless idol lost his sense and reputation in 90’s and now his whole career relies on raju papa+brand dhoom or cheapest remakes like ghajini.his entire career has 11 hits.while KING KHAN has 16 HITS with out YRF+DP.so remain in your midget aukat.what ?sadakchaps like you has also companies?,rofl.
And at least KING KHAN saved Rohit’s null script unlike our loser perfaketionist who can’t saved dharmesh darshan’s mela from disasaster who saved chotu’s entire 90’s disaster decade by giving him 1 atbb.did you forgot that shameless illiiterate fanless overactor’s bhojpuri back licking idiot?
@tiger-the real takla,again read that article you bhojpuri ganwar,it has clearly written there
150cr-above average/HIT FOR DILWALE
240cr-hit/superhit for prdp
now say?ok let 240cr aside,as it’s out of reach for 1rupee masala remake star’s aukat.then let the target be made even easier of 210cr,then also it’s a big flop by earning only 213cr/207cr.now say ?so attend school you slumdog bhojpuri rikshawala idiot before barking.DILWALE IS ALREADY 12 CONSISTENT SUCCESS OFBADSHAH KHAN.
@bajanisis,it’s you’re saying whose idol couldn’t survive in a clash?who along with BIGB lost a clash against a kid ranbir by getting a disaster?still you’re alive?why don’t die you in same?forgot DON VS jaaneman EPIC SLAP?OOPS DON’T WORRY WE WILL MAKE YOU REMEMBER ON THIS EID.at least DILWALE faced all hurdles still fought like lion due to MEGASTARDOM OF BADSHAH KHAN.but why your bhavi failed despite having all advantages?do you want to speak something about this?1st let your bhojpuri takla to win a clash against chunkey pandey 1st then come here.
@mechanic:
You paglapurian Moronic idiot read both the prediction again. For disasterwale #indicibe said….
159cr+: above average/hit.
Now they are giving it semi hit verdict as they said earlier.
PRDP is a flop according to you despite collected around 215cr. So according to your logic excusewale is the biggest DISASTER of the year… Isn’t???
Excuse me all my salman fans against dilwale there was a big opponent BJM which had great names like mr bhansali,ranveer,deepika,priyanka so many screens were occupied it was a tough challenge but still dilwale managd good incum in domestic markets in ovrseas star wars was a big competetion but still it became a blockbustr in abroad it had almost reached upto 370crs.Can yur salman prform gud in such conditions?i dont think so
Bast…fools., including the website people also don’t know anything, I believe that dilwale didn’t do very well bussiness in india but it is not flop or average, if you look at the collection it’s around 150 cr and budget is around 100 cr. (+50) . Ok skip that, collection of overseas in near to 200cr (Atbb), now take all rights money. Tell me where is loss. Stupids. I know performance is not up to the mark but only in india where the conditions are totally opposite to the film. So it is bad but only if you think about srk and consider it as a film it is HIT atleast in india. And ATBB in overseas.
One thing more beside of very bad conditions in india due to bad people in india with very badly foolish topics the film gross collection is +400cr. With the budget of 100 cr While HAPPY NEW YEAR budget was 150cr and gross collection was 385cr and the film was more then SUPERHIT so use common sense yrrr