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Q. Though Bajirao Mastani might have won the clash domestically. Still Dilwale is far more profitable than Bajirao. Don’t you think verdict of Dilwale will be same as Bajirao Mastani?
A. Verdicts are confusing these days, not just for the people who follow collections and verdicts, but even for us.. because there are so many factors involved. In today’s times, there is tremendous pressure on websites like us and even trade analysts to be more lenient. Verdicts are no longer strict. Trade analysts like Komal Nahta (Film Information, ETC) used to be very strict when it came to verdicts before, but now even they follow official collections and verdicts. One of the reasons for this is to create perception that a film starring a big actor hasn’t failed and two, there is pressure from fans – which has only increased because of social media.
In olden times, verdicts used to given purely on the basis of recovery of domestic distributors. If that’s the case, Dilwale is a FLOP in India. There are no two ways about this. Shah Rukh Khan sold territories for a high price to distributors and some of them haven’t even recovered half of their investment. Rajasthan distributor, who paid 8.5 crore for the film, will lose about 4.5 crore of his investment. The verdict simply does not matter. The trade knows the truth and that is, Dilwale has failed in the domestic market. The same applies to even a film like Jai Ho.
For Shah Rukh Khan, the producer, Dilwale is a hugely profitable film. The overseas share could be as high as 65 crore plus and that along with satellite rights, he would have recovered his investment. Recovery from domestic, music and everything else are his profits – which all combined could be close to Rs 100 crore. But these profits come at a cost of local distributors suffering huge losses. In other words, Dilwale would have been profitable for Shah Rukh Khan even if it collected 10 crore in India or didn’t release at all.
Since Dilwale has done blockbuster business in the overseas markets, it’s final overall verdict would be Above Average or Semi Hit in the best case.
On the other hand, since you ask about Bajirao Mastani, the film is a profitable venture for everyone involved. No one will lose money. The simple reason for this is, Bajirao Mastani has over-performed both in overseas and domestic markets. It has exceeded expectations wherever it has released. Dilwale has only performed well overseas.
srk make every1 thinks out of the box i think the pressure of all other superstars fans as we all know that always there is srk vs the rest now makes a movie of 150 crrs india and 350 plus worldwide just a semi hit….now respecting u more my king in 2011 ready 121 blockbuster raone 125 hit lolzzz srk always create a bench mark
So thanks indicine you aaccept it.in reality dilwale is a flop.I don’t understand avarage below avarage formula.hum to do hi cheez jante h hit aur flop
Billu barber, ra one , dulha mil gaya and dilwale .srk fans seeks excuses for dilwales failure but they dont mention that b mastani faces the same problems.khamoshi, babul n salam e ishq r also hits overseas
@mera ghulam 8:45pm:
For movies verdict you believe BOI and in case of HNY opening day collections you believe #indicine. This is called Double Standard…LOL.
Jai released in January 2014 and its January 2016. But according to you Jai Ho released 1.5 year ago. May we know in which school are you reading ???
India semi hit bcs all distributor ar not loss, 2 or 3 loss May be but producer & many distributor r gainer. Overseas blocbuster bcs there no protest, no haters. Ovarall its hit & 13 hit in a row for srk.
If dilwale does ‘all-time blockbuster’ business overseas, will it be considered a ‘clean-hit’ overall?
Indicine …I like d reply you gave
But I don’t lk d fact DAT u or other trade sites are bowing to the pressure of fans or stars to be more lenient towards verdicts
People r becoming too touchy sensitive dz days….if ur fav stars movie ddnt work toh accept it…disappoinmnt wll b Dr …but let’s HV more clarity on D’s issues…..indicine if u guys b confused on verdicts or business dn its a sad state of affairs….I as a fan of ur site, bollywood ,expect honest collections and verdicts from you ….be brutal …state d fact as it is …without any bias to whoever is d lead actor or banner etc….
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To all…,
#jai ho domestic collection 113cr
#Jai ho footfall 1.43cr, that best footfall of 2014 as per collection.
#Jai ho tickets price 30 percent to 35 percent lower that Dilwale.
#Jai ho One man army Salman, dilwale biggest multicastwale.
#Jai ho production much much zero but dilwale high end production.
So seeing above all factors Jai ho winner in front of dilwale.
@indicine team, can you tell me footfall of dilwale?
If Dilwale collect 140-150cr(BOI) then clean hit if bellow 140cr then semi hit
Landing cost of both films BOI Dilwale 100cr BM 125cr Official Dilwale 125cr BM 150cr
@indicine… haha.. great reply to ashok..
thts why i nevr argue with u in verdicts box office or predictions.
only crtisize ur reviews bt telling u abt box office is like trolling ourself.
Indicine ..lk me others on D’s site also depend on u for correct accurate news regarding b.o as u know and keep tabs on various territories ….so humble request just state d facts ….also I HV a request ..kindly mk an article on jai ho and dilwale business in various territories in India ..and d distributor loss
Lastly I said D’s before also…I wld lk to repeat….D’s distributor share thing is a gamble , betting ,perception, assumption kind of thing as if dey HV to get d price right (producer will ask more …dstrbtr wld lk to pay as less as possible)…now if movie dsnt do xpctd business its loss for dem and movie is a flop… But this whole basis seems flawed to me….correct me indicine if HV got it all wrong..WL appreciate it…I guess movie verdict shld dpnd on theatrical business ….how mny bums it put on d seats individually in various territories and dn taken all together in d country to HV a clearer picture as to how d film actually performed… I HV no interest in knowing whats d satellite rights music rights and other rights fetched producers…I m interested in Dr theatrical business and afterwards Dr trps on TV premieres and re-runs….dats d thing DAT fascinates me and brings me to your site ….hope you reply indicine
First of all , wishing indicine and the indiciners a “Happy 2016” (I didn’t use ‘Happy new year’ here bcos I don’t this year 2016 to be as terrible, as horrendous, as torturous , as nonsensical , as disappointing , as nightmarish , as silly & as bad as the sarook’s movie ‘hny’ for all of us:D :D )
So this article clearly illustrates how much our dear indicine is trying to save sarook & his pathetic crap .
Doomwale is a clear FLOP at the Indian BO, no two ways about it . Overseas business just adds to the overall BO collections but each & every Indian movie’s verdicts are given solely on the basis of its domestic collections and so technically any movie which brings in huge losses to domestic distributors & exhibitors is a flop no matter how much it earns overseas , except for very few almost all the distributors have suffered huge losses in the case of ‘rejected wale ‘ and hence it is a clean FLOP in India but a BB overseas .
In the case of ‘jai ho ‘ (indicine could have easily avoided comparing flopwale with jai ho but as usual just to please sarook fans and to support their double minded verdict they had to pull jai ho in ) the extent of losses that distributors & exhibitors suffered were much far lesser than what they have suffered with rejected wale that’s why it was a semi-hit (I am not even including the many external factors related to its BO performance but just on the sole basis of its domestic collections) , common indicine before the release of doomwale u had claimed it bto e the biggest movie of 2015 and it was supposed to earn 200 crores even in the worst of the worst possible scenarios (including the clash with BM, protests , boycotts & every other imaginable possible scenario ) by everyone including the distributors bcos of its face value & so many other factors associated with it but right now the movie would hardly go beyond 150 crores – so mentally , technically , physically , spiritually & in every possible sense it is one big disappointing FLOP in India! case closed.
If movie verdicts were to be given on the basis of fans pressure or social media pressure or for whatever pressure other than the movie’s domestic theatrical collections then each & every movie that a salman or aamir does would never ever flop in any worst case scenario , not only just these two but any movie featuring a popular actor/actress may not ever be declared a flop at all even if the movie is technically a disaster at BO .
So the bottom line is that Rejected wale is not only the worst & the most disappointing movie of 2015 as I had earlier predicted but it is also a big FLOP in india.
if you give dilwale above average verdict then you will become most trusted site as most of us know that this is srk ians site……more respect….change verdict of raone to flop.as it is accepted and remembered by public as flop …and budget is 135cr accepted by srk when film is doing less collection before release its budget supposed to b 175 cr …don’t follow boi …raone ds ind os 64+22+35other ..120 cr so its disaster …film is called hit or semi hit if have profit of atleast 20 cr total inculiding all rights …so its disaster pls declare it or declare jao ho hit…now a days boi also bcom biased as they are not following share per print it is the best way to judge film success 2 – 2.5 hit -2.65 superhit..2.75-3.5 BB 3.8+ ATBB SEE BOI 2010 POST HOW THEY JUDGE FILMS AUR TB B SAB RIGHTS THE MUSIC SATELLITE ETC
@Indicine To be honest I didn’ t like the way u responded to@ashok. Yeah its true those who visit this site may reason on lack of knowledge but its your duty to make them understand and of course polietly. Indicine is one of the best bollywood site to follow coz of people who make visit to this site. U just cant make a statement for a.mockery. Plz be polite while reponding.
An Indicine fan
@if u compare it with ra one then diwale is a super hit…and we all know collection of dw..so, this time depend on u?
@indicine you do not undersatand what i am saying.I MEAN HOW CAN YOU COMPARE JAI HO WITH DILWALE VERDICT JAI HO WAS NOT A FESTIVE RELEASE THEN PLS COMPARE WITH ONLY FESTIVE RELEASE AS IN FESTIVE SEASONS TICKET RATES ARE ALWAYS HIGHER SO YOU SHOULD COMPARE WITH FESTIVE RELEASES AND CONSIDERING HUGE HOLIDAYS DILWALE VERDICT SHOULD BE FLOP
Devdas, Budget 50 Cr, Domestic 32.5 Cr, Verdict Hit
Ra.One, Budget 150 Cr, Domestic 110 Cr, Verdict Hit
Dilwale, Budget 140 Cr, Domestic 130 Cr, Verdict Hit
And then you claim that Shahrukh has no flops since eternity. What crap.
Lungi utar gayi Lungiwalo ki :D
What rubbish @indicine .,jaiho landing cost was 60cr,salman fee-40cr(max)=100cr still its a semi-hit??????
how could you deduct srk fee???den every production house should deduct actors fee even jaiho as it is brothers movie????
1st raone & Now dilwale very good @indicine u r really bised
Please indicine team, give Dilwale verdict as FLOP. Please be fair. As per trade Dilwale is Flop. Don’t consider overseas collections. Dilwale is a flop please.
Then PRDP is Blockbuster.
@indicine everybody know that hum dil de chuke sanam didn’t do well in rest of India except Gujarat bt it declared hit why ???
Who is biggar right now ajay or akshay if both’s big movies release same day then which movie will get more screens whose movie will get huge opening? According to me at this time ajay’s movies buzz is more then akshay’s movies what do u seem indicine?
@indicine:thanks for answering my question.
I do believe Dilwale doesn’t deserve clean hit verdict
Same would go with PRDP.
PRDP doesn’t deserve super hit verdict.there are defenetly some disturbuter who have lost loot of money
i dont know why but indicine you guys are trying very hard to come out as non biased in srk favour.. you are a great team and do tremendous work and keep us updated.. but ever since dilwale has released there has been a marked difference and you somehow seem to have become anti srk.. with budget on the brink of recovery, how can this movie be a flop! even if it collects no money today onwards, it should be below average at worst.. yes factors do not matter and film has under performed, but considering clash 145-150 is decent (recovers budget).. moving away from the verdict discussion, it is a clear case of planned hate campaign as majority of ppl i have spoken to say that the movie is ok (not great but dfntly not bad).. hence wom is also avg and above.. all paid media and social networks have managed to pull dilwale down.. i feel bad for srk and team dilwale.. and some ppl saying it is worst shetty production, then howcome it is already shettys second highest grosser??.. huh morons.. i really like slb movies but after this i have lost all respect for that man and makers of bajirao (not the actors).. karma is a bitch and she will strike back!
Lol indicine gone mad, Hollywood never include Music right, Satellite right and other non theatrical money in Verdicts. otherwise, Star Wars : The Force Awakens
have garnered $10 billion with only buget of around $200 million and the theatrical collections are only $1.3 billion till Wednesday. so they will include only theatrical Collection in Verdicts. Nahi toh phirrr star wars to kya kahenge ye main nahi janta.
second – Pixels, Tomorrowland, Jupiter Ascending, Terminator and many more all floped on American box office so they are considered as failure but here you are giving excuses to save your fav actor.
Dilwale will do more or less similar business to Bang Bang n Singham Returns as per BOI where Dilwale budget is much lower than bang bang but higher than singham returns verdict of bang bang semi hit singham returns super hit DILWALE=??
Aamir charges 35 profit sharing
Hritik 25. strictly business
Salman 20. producer relatives friends
Srk 20. producers relatives friends
Akshay.18-22. Strictly business
Ajay 16-20. producer friends profit sharing
Ranbir 15 strictly business
Saif 12 strictly business