Kaabil and Raees: Inflated Box Office Collections and our estimates!

There comes a time when a strong stand has to be taken against the inflation of box office collections – which has crossed all possible limits with the release of Raees and Kaabil. The theatres are empty but the collections, both films combined, are at record levels for weekdays.

Before we begin, credit should go to Red Chillies and Excel for keeping the collections at reasonable levels throughout the weekend. They probably had no choice but to inflate Monday onwards because the other film would’ve otherwise overtaken them and that would mean negative reports in the mainstream media – which follows official figures. But that’s no excuse for inflation to levels of insanity when the film isn’t even collecting half of what they have quoted.

There’s been plenty of action behind-the-scenes too. A leaked audio clip had a PR instructing her people that the film has to cross a particular number on Monday. The producer of one of the two films had a spat with a leading trade analyst because he did not quote the official figures on his television show. Success has been celebrated multiple times through parties, numerous media interactions claiming victory – even though the final box office numbers of both films wouldn’t do justice to the stardom of both stars.

What’s been most embarrassing for the industry and the trade is the sheer desperation from both sides to spread the word through the media that the two films are bigger successes than they actually are.

From our site’s point of view, exposing the lies and revealing the truth has quite a few negative effects too. We could lose out on visitors, our traffic could drop, because the craze for box office numbers has reached such a stage where people only want to believe the source that quotes the higher number.

But with the producer numbers crossing all limits of sanity, our credibility, which we’ve built over a period of more than 10 years, is at stake. It’s disappointing because we haven’t been able to do what we love to do. We love analysing the trends, predicting the lifetime collections, giving our readers comparisons between different films – unfortunately, inflation of collections has killed our own interest and has also stopped us from posting our daily box office reports.

Some other random thoughts:

  • The Indian box office is immensely difficult to track, especially the single screens / fixed rentals. On a daily basis, almost impossible. Most figures that are put out are estimates based on collections from multiplexes, links to live theatre samples, circuit figures etc.
  • But inflation even happens at the exhibitor (theatre) level and more so at circuit level – depending on which star or film they are siding with. Very few are neutral and even fewer are honest when it comes to these big films. For example, we receive Rajasthan circuit figures from two different people, and both are quoting different figures for each day.
  • The ‘trade source’ which most people quote, has been at it too over the first few days. Not including collections from the dubbed versions is wrong and completely writing off one film on the first day of release itself is unethical, especially in a clash when the reports aren’t as bad a Mohenjo Daro. Also, 5% inflation of one film and 5% deflation (reduction) of the other, can make a massive difference to the final outcome. Which is why we think, if Rakesh Roshan had kept the figures to actual levels, his film would’ve still been at a fairly good total going in to the second weekend.
  • Also, who takes into account the ticket sold in the first weekend through brand promoters? Without taking any name, a huge amount of tickets were sold in bulk at discounted prices to corporates and brand promoters in the first weekend, which helped boost the collections. As per information from industry insiders, this itself is about 10% of the first extended weekend collections.

And finally, we are putting our own estimates for the two films. Believing it or not is your choice, but we’ve put in immense amount of work in the last few days gathering data from multiple sources – verifying and reverifying – before putting it out. We are going to stick to these numbers from now onwards and the lifetime total won’t be the official figures released by the producers.

A lot of questions are now going to come up with regards to the data already existing on our website. Like collections of a Krrish 3 or a Happy New Year, but be rest assured that the next couple of months will be spent in changing the data on the website. Both the collections and verdicts will be changed. Stay tuned for more.

Our estimate, day-wise, for both films below. Do note, we haven’t yet verified collections for 2nd Friday, which has been marked with * symbol.

RAEESKAABIL
Day 119.758.50
Day 226.0016.25
Day 312.758.00
Day 415.0011.50
Day 516.7513.50
Day 66.504.75
Day 75.754.50
Day 85.204.00
Day 94.503.50
Day 102.752.75
Day 114.004.50
Day 125.005.75
India Total126.7 crore87.5 crore
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307 Comments

  • Both the producers are manipulating figures, Kaabil is doing this from the start and Raees makers are doing this from monday onwards, when it start crashing……..

    Few Idiots are blaming Rakesh ji for Raees inflation, to those idiots Srk did not start manipulating because of Rakesh ji, but he did this because his movie start crashing from Monday, and if he did not do this then it will be another flop for him….have some guts and accept the truth, if Rakesh sir inflating numbers in his movies, then manipulating numbers is also not the new thing for Srk, he also manipulate fig in his all movies, go and check his all movies (which are produce in RCE)…..

    I am sure if FAN was made by REC then it will not flop because of Red Chily Calculator……

    Here both the producers are responsible for this mess….

  • Great work yrrr
    @indicine I
    salute your true passion to beaware your viewers .
    You exposed those fake ones.??

  • So difference between BOI and Indicine figure for Raees is just 50K but for kaabil it is 10C.

    Indicine meant to say that for 60% screens BOI took much pain to get the actual collection but for 40% screen, BOI had tough time to know the collection. So kaabil real collections has huge difference.

    What a sheer biased article .Just compare your own article when the discussion popped up for kaabil manipulations during weekend.
    Shame on u indiicne . The only purpose of your article is to prove that Kaabil collections are not as low as put by BOI but for Raees whatever BOI stating is true.

  • Now i see again blame game kind of comments are dr ….rakesh roshan inflated so srk had no choice …ds dat ….but indicine clearly mentioned weekend collections were upto reasonable levels from both sides ….so u cnt blame one party as per ur convenience and leave d other ……else rakesh roshan also has a xcuse since raees released on dr date and caused loss so its his strategy to come up wd something to benefit them …..as far as i m concerned both r equally to b blamed and held responsible ….its a shame really …….on d fun side now i wanna know how far r dey gonna go ……

  • This all happening becoz of Hritik Roshan (dnt think he is a innocent boy, he is hiding beside his father’s head, hypocrite) & Rakesh Roshan.. Bcoz the way they are manipulating Red Chilli was forced to do so.. Like During The week days is Red Chilli gave the original figure then Roshan might overtake Raees with inflated collection & a wrong msg would go to the public that Kaabil is better than Raees..

    So Red chilli is forced to inflate.. Even they accept the defeat during Dilwale…

    So Rakesh & Hritik Roshan have crossed all limit of Manipulation.. After Krrish3 & Bang Bang now kaabil… Such a shame.. Trade people , distributor , exhibitor everyone should boycott them..

    If anyone is responsible for all these manipulation of Kaabil & Raees then He is Rakesh Roshan & Also Hritik Roshan

  • What a wonderful eye opening article by you guys. IndIcine I respect you for standing up for what you believe is right. The most legitimate site of Indian Cinema.

  • Comparison –

    Kaabil – 1) 40% of screens
    2) Exhibitors are against them
    3) BOI showing very less figures
    4) Good film content wa
    5) Clash with SRK’s superstadom
    6) Still good box office collection
    7) Want commercial success and Only mistake is they given fake collections (but only 50% of common people watch that figures and only media promotes them)

    Raees – 1) 60% of Screens
    2) Exhibitors from the side of RCE and Exel
    3) Lots of websites are always with side of srk as superstardom
    5) Good film content as a Fan movie which clashed with jungle book.
    6) Clash winner at start ahead of kaabil but still want commercial success and fudged the box office collection.

    Conclusions – We can easily blame Raees Producers already knows that they going to win clash then why they bought exhibitors and given fake collections and why they still want to be ahead that no one can’t beat us ? Ego war nothing else

  • indicine please write an article of combined collection of both films as its more than diwali period too..
    even if u dont take manipulated coll of both films previous best was prdp which also manipulated around 16 crs as accrdng to boi its collection was 194 crs..please write an article abt all films that were manipulated till today

  • The way this article is written it seems that it’s because of Rakesh Roshan that collection are inflated and red chillies/SRK are the tenth Avatar of Vishnu, which is not. If your words are agreed then both have done something wrong. As a first I do not want to fully agree that they can inflate as the taxes that all involved parties pay is based on that. So if a figure is 20cr or 12cr Net then the gross should be appropriate and taxes would add up to meet that number. Secondly, any trade source can only have a partial information and not complete. Even if I ignore all these, I have a very simple question for @indicine, figure inflation is an allegation that is been around for many years, why all of a sudden you guys have a rise in your consience and taking up a moral policing, or is it something that you guys have been paid for??? I guess my opinion might not be published by the admin as it might be the truth.

  • Before we begin, credit should go to Red Chillies and Excel for keeping the collections at reasonable levels throughout the weekend. They probably had no choice but to inflate Monday onwards because the other film would’ve otherwise overtaken them and that would mean negative reports in the mainstream media – which follows official figures…

    VERY WELL SAID INDICINE.. CLAPS FOR THIS…

    ONE GUY RAKESH ROSHAN & HIS CULPRIT SON HRITIK ROSHAN IS MAKING BOLLY BUSINESS DIRTIER… SHAME !!!

    & SPECIAL THANKS TO RED CHILLI FOR NOT INFLATING DURING WEEKEND & AFTER THAT THEY HAD NO CHOICE LEFT

  • If Hrithik commits murder, that doesn’t mean that SRK too should commit one
    Same case here, if Kaabil collections are being manipulated, that doesn’t justify the manipulation of Raees figures.. Both are at wrong, and both have manipulated collections before..So both should be held accounted for their actions equally

  • kudos to team indicine for highlighting this and publishing their own estimates!

    However I disagree with Indicine team when they say that SRK and team had to do this when the other side was inflating figures to avoid negative perception…….

    SRK is one of the BIGGEST we have. And from the BIGGEST – fans, trade, industry expect certain ethics and values. The truth cannot be hidden. Also one must remember that this is nit the first time that there is disparity in the collections reported by SRK. Examples being the opening day collections of films like CE and HNY. Both were inflated and we all know that. Lifetime collections have also been inflated by SRK.

  • @indicine you should check bookmyshow to see whose film is doing good. You will get kaabil is performing good. Then how Raees get higher collection

    In weakdays, Raees is always less than kaabil but collection of RAEES is higher than kaabil.. How it is possible.

    If screens of both films are equal and kaabil is getting appreciation than how can Raees earn more than kaabil

  • Exactly….raaes makers had to inflate collections otherwise a low collection movie kaabil would have touch the collections of Raaes… So rakesh roshan and kaabil makers are Too Manipulated

  • You mentioned that raees was showing correct figures till sunday and yet you have decreased the collections of 2-3 crore in ua estimate.and even after verrifying your kaabil vollection

  • @indicine I think only producers known the actual figures, if u r so much concern about actual collection then publish actual collections of every film in last 5 years, and why r u always say ‘actual’ ‘actual’, many big companies manipulate their profits for loan purposes or tax purposes, govt allow their balance sheets, who questions them?? Only film industry is open, so every one here is film critic, trade analyst, it is their business, we should allow them to declare a film’s collection, we never questioned Tata or reliance’s profit or loss, if there is ethics it should be in any business not only film industry.
    And if manipulation is unethical then if it is 5cr or 50 cr, all r same, when SRK said that only he knows what is the actual collection, then u should have the guts to reply him that he is a lier, and only u or other trade analyst know the so called actual figures.

  • @Chain Smoker : Bhai, tu kahan ka prani hai ? Pluto ? Can’t you read “theaters were empty” ? which Salman or Aamir movie in last 5 years were running empty after 5 days ?? Bawlaa hogayaa hai Raees ke chakkar mein. And stop chain smoking the nicotine has damaged your brain nerves. Lol

  • Great Work …keep these figures in your Movies lifetime collections articles

    6+ on 2nd Friday is almost impossible for kaabil… Estimates were just 3 crs….I think the aim of kaabil makers is to touch 150 cr by hook or crook ..

  • You mentioned that raees was showing correct figures till sunday and yet you have decreased the collections of 2-3 crore in ua estimate..but its still similar to BOI collections and even after verrifying your kaabil collections are still almost 8 crore more the what BOI has shown.
    Kaabil has crossed all limits of inflation and they knew if people came to know that it has opened to 8 crore fate of film will be sealed then only.. n i think Raees has as u said no chance after sunday to taste the kabil their own medicine..

  • @ Salman Fan. The movie was not crashed during second week. By inflating 10% the verdict is not going to change. Did the verdict change for PRDP, KICk and other movies with around 10% manipulation? Just negated the perception that Kaabil is ahead in weekday but I feel it was not necessary as everyone know that Kaabil’s collection was a joke

    As per BOI, it will reach anywhere around 135+ and with weekend figure itself it was in safe zone.

    There are so many movies from different stars that has LT collection with 10-15% difference.( I’m not considering Hrithik movie here) But all of a sudden Indicine has come up with this article just to make sure, it can do some salvage on Kaabil’s manipulation as BOI stand is very less on it.

    The same indicne published an article with different view jsut few days back when only Kaabil was manipulating.

  • All is happening because of audience who always curious about only box office figures ….10 years ago people wanted to watch movies as an entertainment but now cinema is all about box office and its happening beacause of us ..why we r interested so much in number …we all know raees and kabil both movie are good and totally different from each other ……and stardom of srk cannot deny…. Obviously srk won this clash but kabil also earn enough money .rakesh roshan is the maim reason behind the scene he invented manipulation tricks now he has gone made …so there is no other option available for Rce …..srk and rhitik both are fabulous actor and their films are also good …but ego of rakesh roshan spoiled everything.

  • Just watch any recent interview of rakesh roshan and you will realize how manipulative & frustrated soul he is ..that’s tell all about Kaabil collections …!

  • @indicine producers choose not to reveal its actual collection so now you take matter in to your own hands and reveal it for them so what now if the producers ask you for your evidence?

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