Kaabil and Raees: Inflated Box Office Collections and our estimates!

There comes a time when a strong stand has to be taken against the inflation of box office collections – which has crossed all possible limits with the release of Raees and Kaabil. The theatres are empty but the collections, both films combined, are at record levels for weekdays.

Before we begin, credit should go to Red Chillies and Excel for keeping the collections at reasonable levels throughout the weekend. They probably had no choice but to inflate Monday onwards because the other film would’ve otherwise overtaken them and that would mean negative reports in the mainstream media – which follows official figures. But that’s no excuse for inflation to levels of insanity when the film isn’t even collecting half of what they have quoted.

There’s been plenty of action behind-the-scenes too. A leaked audio clip had a PR instructing her people that the film has to cross a particular number on Monday. The producer of one of the two films had a spat with a leading trade analyst because he did not quote the official figures on his television show. Success has been celebrated multiple times through parties, numerous media interactions claiming victory – even though the final box office numbers of both films wouldn’t do justice to the stardom of both stars.

What’s been most embarrassing for the industry and the trade is the sheer desperation from both sides to spread the word through the media that the two films are bigger successes than they actually are.

From our site’s point of view, exposing the lies and revealing the truth has quite a few negative effects too. We could lose out on visitors, our traffic could drop, because the craze for box office numbers has reached such a stage where people only want to believe the source that quotes the higher number.

But with the producer numbers crossing all limits of sanity, our credibility, which we’ve built over a period of more than 10 years, is at stake. It’s disappointing because we haven’t been able to do what we love to do. We love analysing the trends, predicting the lifetime collections, giving our readers comparisons between different films – unfortunately, inflation of collections has killed our own interest and has also stopped us from posting our daily box office reports.

Some other random thoughts:

  • The Indian box office is immensely difficult to track, especially the single screens / fixed rentals. On a daily basis, almost impossible. Most figures that are put out are estimates based on collections from multiplexes, links to live theatre samples, circuit figures etc.
  • But inflation even happens at the exhibitor (theatre) level and more so at circuit level – depending on which star or film they are siding with. Very few are neutral and even fewer are honest when it comes to these big films. For example, we receive Rajasthan circuit figures from two different people, and both are quoting different figures for each day.
  • The ‘trade source’ which most people quote, has been at it too over the first few days. Not including collections from the dubbed versions is wrong and completely writing off one film on the first day of release itself is unethical, especially in a clash when the reports aren’t as bad a Mohenjo Daro. Also, 5% inflation of one film and 5% deflation (reduction) of the other, can make a massive difference to the final outcome. Which is why we think, if Rakesh Roshan had kept the figures to actual levels, his film would’ve still been at a fairly good total going in to the second weekend.
  • Also, who takes into account the ticket sold in the first weekend through brand promoters? Without taking any name, a huge amount of tickets were sold in bulk at discounted prices to corporates and brand promoters in the first weekend, which helped boost the collections. As per information from industry insiders, this itself is about 10% of the first extended weekend collections.

And finally, we are putting our own estimates for the two films. Believing it or not is your choice, but we’ve put in immense amount of work in the last few days gathering data from multiple sources – verifying and reverifying – before putting it out. We are going to stick to these numbers from now onwards and the lifetime total won’t be the official figures released by the producers.

A lot of questions are now going to come up with regards to the data already existing on our website. Like collections of a Krrish 3 or a Happy New Year, but be rest assured that the next couple of months will be spent in changing the data on the website. Both the collections and verdicts will be changed. Stay tuned for more.

Our estimate, day-wise, for both films below. Do note, we haven’t yet verified collections for 2nd Friday, which has been marked with * symbol.

RAEESKAABIL
Day 119.758.50
Day 226.0016.25
Day 312.758.00
Day 415.0011.50
Day 516.7513.50
Day 66.504.75
Day 75.754.50
Day 85.204.00
Day 94.503.50
Day 102.752.75
Day 114.004.50
Day 125.005.75
India Total126.7 crore87.5 crore
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307 Comments

  • Still according to ur collections Raees is leading and won the clash inspite of positive reviews given to Kaabil and ur much support to Kaabil.. That’s the power of common man. #Raees#

  • Its a shame that stars like srk is too doing insane manipulations as for roshans its nothing new.but audience are clever now a days.u can’t fool them.second Friday fake collections crossed all possible limits.in reality Rae’s overall collections at the end of its run would not even cross 130 CR’s and kaabil will not cross 90.

  • Your own estimates showed 11.5 as estimate for Kaabil. Yet, u hv reduced it to 8.5 Crs. Nice article trying to save face of Redchillies. U urself said first 3 days collections of Raees was fishy the other day.

  • Great article indicine. Kudos to your team! From now on if you see such huge manipulation (greater than 5%) you should post your estimate alongside the official numbers and expose these “superstarts” who are trying to fool people. Honestly, SRK and Hrithik may be going through a rough phase right now but they are still huge stars and if they do right kind of movies people would still go to the theaters in big numbers. Look at Salman. He had an even worse period in the mid 2000s but from Wanted, Dabang he has bounced back and now one of the top 2 stars along with Aamir. Aamir did not have a single release between 2001-2005 yet he did not lose his stardom. If you do good work people will come, no need to manipulate numbers to show that you are a huge star. You actually lose your hard earned reputation by doing so. Pathetic from both the groups.

  • Well done Indicine.
    This article shows your honesty and dedication towards your work.

    Dishonesty is dishonesty whether it is for a crore or a penny.Rakesh Roshan and SRK should focus on making better movies.

  • Actually what’s the need for srk to manipulate as Rae’s would comfortably cross 125 as per boi n trade figures which is great achievement considering the big clash.in future noone I repeat noons is going to believe figures from film craft n redchillies productions even if they turn out to be genuine.bohut ho gaya drama n nautanki.its time to stand against two biggest manipulated production houses.

  • Ok if procedure figures are incorrect then how can you put for others movie and how did you exctaly know that yesterday only 3 cr indicine you how answer us ? you are one sided man shame on you

  • i can put this statement every fan should read –
    ‘Some websites, analyst, critics and exhibitors are playing games with blind fans to attract the audience make atmosphere viral till this weekend’.
    Believe me all of only clever people are searching exact fig. on Internet. we already know the clash is one sided because of srk stardom. here srk don’t wanna fail gain at commercial level and rakesh roshan as a producer don’t wanna fail too.

    Its a simple is that – Srk wanna prove himself on stardom and fame. while hrithik is great actor who don’t want comparison anymore. but this is a clash so success meant only by fig. then who have problem with 40% screens and they still want to go with srk. proving someone wrong is their target.

    hrithik wins here..

  • One of d best article of urs @indicine
    After a disappointing time u guys actually stand for d truth
    N pls ab Manko dat
    Trade , producer , overseas , Kahi pe bhi kaabil ne RAEES k barabari ka collections nahi kiya . N pls ab ye mat bolna k WOM se Kaabil ne clash Jeet liya .LOL!

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    i can put this statement every fan should read –
    ‘Some websites, analyst, critics and exhibitors are playing games with blind fans to attract the audience make atmosphere viral till this weekend’.
    Believe me all of only clever people are searching exact fig. on Internet. we already know the clash is one sided because of srk stardom. here srk don’t wanna fail gain at commercial level and rakesh roshan as a producer don’t wanna fail too.

    trade figures are too be honest. whoever close to trade figure aren’t winner at all you know.
    raees nears trade figures because of Exhibitors and 60% of screens

  • Dangal total Boc is 372cr by BOI and Producer figure is 385cr so there is also 13cr manupataion.ETT 186 cr by BOI and 199cr by producer PK 332cr by BOI and 340Cr by Producer so each and every Big star film figure is diff from BOI hence 10% up and down is accepetable but with HR film Manipulation is is almost 40cr for BB 70Cr for Krish 3 and almost 35cr for Kabil which creat doubt in readers mind.Yes I agreed HNY first day figure may inflate some % but life total is 10% lower than BOI so its ok it happen with every big movie.

  • Yup I was right the fig showing by boi for kaabil is not that low..and yup thanks indicine the article which I was waiting from past 3 days.. You can take your all time to publish your fig and I will only blame on your site..

  • Now make a article on roshans if u will touch happy new year so then you must have to touch kick prem ratan chennai and dhoom 3 one thing to be noticed all above mentioned movies have a difference of 5 to 10 percent which is acceptable but bang bang krish3 now kaabil…shame on roshans they put srk in immense pressure if trade that kind of articles after weekend raees makers will never do that anyways still thanks for atleast come up with nice working

  • Actually this article will grab a lot of eyeballs for all the right and wrong reasons . I have always said producers can manipulate collections but what will they get from this ? When a person knows his film has failed why he will try to show it as a success . Also if producers manipulate collections than they will have to pay higher income tax . Not a smart idea in my opinion . I can’t say with confidence that Red Chillies Entertainment and Filmkraft Productions are manipulating collections but I don’t believe in BOI at all ? After the first weekend they declared Kaabil as a complete failure . How is this possible ? Kaabil has been made on a reasonable budget and not expensive such as Mohenjo Daro and Shivaay . If Kaabil has crashed in weekdays according to the so called trade BOI than how it got more number of shows and screens in 2nd week as compared to Raees . From the first day they are trying to portray Kaabil as a failure . Their article seems like a fan made website . One thing is clear either both the parties have manipulated box office collections or none of them . Nobody can say that one party is innocent and started manipulating only because of the other party . We need a single source for Box office collections not multiple sources where everyone provides their own numbers . Cheers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • “The theatres are empty but the collections, both films combined, are at record levels for weekdays.”
    u seem to have visited every possible SS & multiplex too.. good job indicine :)

    your mouth was shut when Rakesh Roshan was giving inflated figures. but u were quoting that figures.now when RCE is giving 1-2 crs extra per day from BOI figures u seem to have lost your mind.

    if we take BOI figures then RCE gave 15 crs more only till now but Rakesh Sir had given 40 crs extra already.

    RCE was giving the correct figures till Rakesh Roshan had gone past every possible limits everyday. then RCE had to do that bcz Rakesh Roshan wasn’t stopping… “Lohe ko loha hi kat sakta hai”

    now coming to other films then every single film in the industry has inflated figures if we take BOI figures whether its Dangal or whether its CE,sultan,k3,bang bang etc etc etc

    haha

  • Indicine Team
    February 4, 2017 at 3:31 pm
    @Nipun, the Day 1 collections are still closer to the 10 crore mark and close to our estimates. At 10-15% range, we can still give the benefit of doubt to the producers because they know better than others. But it’s Monday onwards when both have completely lost it. 2nd weekend is worse.

    Then, why did you not give benefit of doubt to producers on this article when you’ve said it many times that it opened better than Mohenjo-Daro, and your own initial estimation was in 10-11Cr range? Any particular reason to go with 8.5Cr figure on this article? Did you consider the data from another source for these figures?

  • Many days before all salman fans were supporting kaabil figure in twitter.biy suddenly now they becomes BOI bhakt.

    from Day1 I wanted RAEES MAKERS to inflate after I saw rakeshji inflated 2.5-3cr per day.

    Whatever TEAM RAEES DID,TIT FOR TAT.

    RAEES WON THE CLASH.THE BIGGEST GROSSER OF REPUBLIC DAY WITH HIT/SEMI HIT TAG.

    while certain 300 cr MEGASTAR’S failed thrive with films like salaam e ishq,veer,jail ho with solo release.

    SALUTE TO MEGASTAR KING SRK to break all records despite of CLASH.ONLY KING OF BOLLYWOOD CAN DO THIS.

  • These points are enough to decribe how much producer are giving fake collection of both movie.
    1)) it will do approx 260 + in 2 week acc to oficial figure where hardly any movie do 150 + in a month.
    2)) 260 +…in 2 week it’s look like movie highly apperciated by public ..jo ki aisa h nhi..!
    3)) in 2 week sultan , bb , pk , dangal did 250 to 270 cr …which are highly apprecaited and universal type movie but in case of RAAES and KABIL both are good movie not excellent type movie…still they are doing same kind of businnes which are highly appreciated by public…!

    The whole point show they are giving fake collection of movie…!
    # indicine good job..!

  • My take is- if there is not any honest exhibitor. then who are we to blame producers.
    its looks most of the exhibitors are from bigger stardom side. Rakesh Roshan already blamed the exhibitors to give 40% of less screens to them

  • Also, you were quick to point out manipulation in Kaabil’s figure from 1st day, but why are you not taking the ‘name’ of the person/production house you have hinted responsible for brand promoters buying tickets in bulk at discounted prices to boost collections & the leaked conversation about inflating collections?

  • @Indicine plz! Answer this.
    The collections that you have reported fOr Kaabil is Hindi only or it is including the dubbed versions and Do you really think that Kaabil’s first day collections are as low as 8.50 crs.Plz reply this time!

  • And from above collection or any collection you take.. Raees ahead of kabil even 10the day so stop crying on 40% screen and great wom .. And all raees is clear winner.

  • If u think , it’s close to 10 crores and higher than Mohenjodaro, then update it at least !
    You have only added 0.5-1 crores to BOI figure per day, nothing else..
    Weekdays of Kaabil was quite believable.. But 2nd weekend collection looks higher from both sides(Raees and Kaabil)

    BTW, Kaabil WOM is good and trending better than Raees according to many sources with addition of shows and screens.. Then how can Raees collections are still higher in particularly 2nd weekend?

  • Indicine …a couple of times earlier i had requested for honest b.o figures from u guys along with some other visitors who too hv requested d same from time to time…..its really great dat u hv finally called a spade as spade……ds is what we bolly lovers and b.o enthusiasts expect and want from you …..kp up d good work ….looking forward to revised figures of past films ……a big thank you indicine

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