Kaabil and Raees: Inflated Box Office Collections and our estimates!

There comes a time when a strong stand has to be taken against the inflation of box office collections – which has crossed all possible limits with the release of Raees and Kaabil. The theatres are empty but the collections, both films combined, are at record levels for weekdays.

Before we begin, credit should go to Red Chillies and Excel for keeping the collections at reasonable levels throughout the weekend. They probably had no choice but to inflate Monday onwards because the other film would’ve otherwise overtaken them and that would mean negative reports in the mainstream media – which follows official figures. But that’s no excuse for inflation to levels of insanity when the film isn’t even collecting half of what they have quoted.

There’s been plenty of action behind-the-scenes too. A leaked audio clip had a PR instructing her people that the film has to cross a particular number on Monday. The producer of one of the two films had a spat with a leading trade analyst because he did not quote the official figures on his television show. Success has been celebrated multiple times through parties, numerous media interactions claiming victory – even though the final box office numbers of both films wouldn’t do justice to the stardom of both stars.

What’s been most embarrassing for the industry and the trade is the sheer desperation from both sides to spread the word through the media that the two films are bigger successes than they actually are.

From our site’s point of view, exposing the lies and revealing the truth has quite a few negative effects too. We could lose out on visitors, our traffic could drop, because the craze for box office numbers has reached such a stage where people only want to believe the source that quotes the higher number.

But with the producer numbers crossing all limits of sanity, our credibility, which we’ve built over a period of more than 10 years, is at stake. It’s disappointing because we haven’t been able to do what we love to do. We love analysing the trends, predicting the lifetime collections, giving our readers comparisons between different films – unfortunately, inflation of collections has killed our own interest and has also stopped us from posting our daily box office reports.

Some other random thoughts:

  • The Indian box office is immensely difficult to track, especially the single screens / fixed rentals. On a daily basis, almost impossible. Most figures that are put out are estimates based on collections from multiplexes, links to live theatre samples, circuit figures etc.
  • But inflation even happens at the exhibitor (theatre) level and more so at circuit level – depending on which star or film they are siding with. Very few are neutral and even fewer are honest when it comes to these big films. For example, we receive Rajasthan circuit figures from two different people, and both are quoting different figures for each day.
  • The ‘trade source’ which most people quote, has been at it too over the first few days. Not including collections from the dubbed versions is wrong and completely writing off one film on the first day of release itself is unethical, especially in a clash when the reports aren’t as bad a Mohenjo Daro. Also, 5% inflation of one film and 5% deflation (reduction) of the other, can make a massive difference to the final outcome. Which is why we think, if Rakesh Roshan had kept the figures to actual levels, his film would’ve still been at a fairly good total going in to the second weekend.
  • Also, who takes into account the ticket sold in the first weekend through brand promoters? Without taking any name, a huge amount of tickets were sold in bulk at discounted prices to corporates and brand promoters in the first weekend, which helped boost the collections. As per information from industry insiders, this itself is about 10% of the first extended weekend collections.

And finally, we are putting our own estimates for the two films. Believing it or not is your choice, but we’ve put in immense amount of work in the last few days gathering data from multiple sources – verifying and reverifying – before putting it out. We are going to stick to these numbers from now onwards and the lifetime total won’t be the official figures released by the producers.

A lot of questions are now going to come up with regards to the data already existing on our website. Like collections of a Krrish 3 or a Happy New Year, but be rest assured that the next couple of months will be spent in changing the data on the website. Both the collections and verdicts will be changed. Stay tuned for more.

Our estimate, day-wise, for both films below. Do note, we haven’t yet verified collections for 2nd Friday, which has been marked with * symbol.

RAEESKAABIL
Day 119.758.50
Day 226.0016.25
Day 312.758.00
Day 415.0011.50
Day 516.7513.50
Day 66.504.75
Day 75.754.50
Day 85.204.00
Day 94.503.50
Day 102.752.75
Day 114.004.50
Day 125.005.75
India Total126.7 crore87.5 crore
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307 Comments

  • ha ha indicine. u r a mockery of urself. just because kaabil inflated figures u even included raees as far first 5 days goes. and by the way ur early estimates of raees on day 1 at some 2 am in the morning were 21 to 22 crores. so wy now 19.75. come one. when u want to just go by ur estimates than wy do this. really????? and than to say that even kaabil gave correct figures in the first 5 days. again playing to the gallery. kindly be the site u were earlier. unbiased. calling spade a spade. plz

  • and indicine u are quoting trade figures or eve under reporting them as far as raees goes. but for kaabil. lol indicine. seriously didint expect this from u. plz plz.

  • Keep collections one side!! What about budget?? few months back raees budget around 110cr. How can be 85 cr now??? this is big inflation first no one talking about this !!!!’
    indicine please answer this !!!’

  • HOW KAABIL BEAT RAEES HOLLOW IN THIS CLASH

    The much talked about clash of January 2017 between Kaabil and Raees has been one of the most interesting battle of ego crushing. The first day victory went to Raees thanks to it getting more screens due its Baahubali 2 deal. There was a 10 cr difference between the two films with Raees leading by a good margin. But the difference dwindled right from the second day onwards as Word of mouth of both films kicked in with Kaabil getting frighteningly close to Raees in a matter of days.And then the unthinkable happened.

    The weekdays began where kaabils WOM started to stamp its ground all over and fearing a possible loss of the “perception battle” , red chilles team started fudging its numbers just in a bid to outdo the Kaabil numbers. This is evident because it was always the kaabil numbers that came first and then red chilles came up with a crore higher. By the end of the first week, the difference in day to day collections closed in to a staggeringly low figure which was just under 1 crore. Meanwhile, exhibitors decided to give Kaabil extra screens as it was performing better than Raees and hence Kaabil showed an upsurge in collections from 5.25 cr thursday to 6.40 cr on Friday . But the Raees makers were caught cold when they gave out figures of 6.60 cr , in a desperate attempt to outdo kaabil second friday numbers , but fully exposing their blatant lies and fraud. How can Raees have an upsurge on sec ond friday when kaabil was given more shows and raees shows were reduced?

    With kaabil now crossing the 100 cr club in a matter of 11 days, it has already won the perception battle because Raees is merely few 10s of crores ahead. One wonders what struck srk to go ahead and clash with Kaabil? Did he find hrithik a “soft target” just because he had a mohenjo daro behind him? Did srk forget he had a Fan behind him and a disaster director like rahul dholakia directing him? What was srk smoking? These are some questions only srk can answer, off screen of course.

  • Some people have started saying ranbeer kapoor ,akshay kumar etc are honest as they show real figures…it should be noted that the above actors do not distribute their movies to anyone…their distribution is done by other agencies like EROS…but SRKs Red chillies entertainment produces and distributes movies on its own and hence they know their collections very well than anyone else.

  • There is no way that indicine will know the exact collections and its just a estimated number

    Its strange that you will give LBO and will give your own estimates. Question bhi apne aur answer bhi ..ha ha ha

    All these estimates are useless and carry no weightage.

    The producer figures will always be considered final and rightly so. The movie is ultimately their product and only they have the correct numbers

  • Much has already been spoken both from both SRK as well as anti-SRK camps and I don’t think I have much to add up.
    But since I am commenting on indicine, I will stick to their figures with all due respect.
    Just want Raees to be the highest grosser of the month of January and attain a HIT tag according to every single source (be it trade, producer or trade websites like indicine).

  • @Indicine :

    Nice initiative, but make sure you continue this trend with upcoming releases as well.
    You have the capabilities and resources, but you get lazy.
    It’s high time you start releasing your own figures.

  • Indicine i am 100? sure that u r going to lose only those visitor who are blind followers of SRK. SRK followers currently following BOI for Kaabil figures. But when it comes to follow figures of Don 2, CE first day, HNY , Jab tak hai Jaan they follows Producer figures. By dis articl u might lose many SRK followers but all other actors followers will start visiting ur site, so dont worry about it.
    Now SRK followers will dislike dis n will say everyone is jelous of SRK stardom, but thr truth is he has fan following but his choice of selecting films is very poor, if u compare SRK with other Khans.

  • Indicine first added fuel to fire & now washing hands off entire matter.. Anyway both movies even after manipulation are still average grossers & both production houses have lost a lot of their credibility.

  • Loved this article, easily your best Indicine? Very well done on exposing everyone, Bollywood thinks we are fools? Respect has increased for you Indicine ? Kudos to you for stating the truth & facts as it is, keep up the great work? Wish other websites & specially mainstream media would do the same like they did during Krrish 3?

    Addicted to your website since couple of years mainly due to your excellent box office analysis & of course hundreds of user comments? Only hate you for not publishing my comments which I anyhow post rarely?

  • @Navin

    Thank you so much. But I must admit that I’m still a learner and learning a lot from Salmaniacs like you. I would like to say that plz continue the effort to encourage all the Bhai fans (especially on indicine).

  • /* If you are forced to commit a crime after someone has already committed such crime, then who’s the bigger culprit here? The one who does it first or the one who copies it despite knowing it’s a crime? */

    Superbly said @Rohit. Couldn’t agree more!!

  • Why industry did not take a strong stand and kept mum when Krish 2 collection was inflated and Kaabil collection was inflated for first five days….this become an issue when raees team started providing exaggerated figure in order to safeguard their film….

  • @Noam : As far as Indicine supports SRK blindly it is unbiased. Now they are biased for speaking truth ?? Lolz

  • Where are the so called die hard fans of SRK like @Javed @sss @Phenom they were calling Kaabil as Disaster & Raees as Blockbuster before release. @sss even called Miyaan bhai will roar in theaters sadly for him Miyaan bhai busy manipulating. Roshans are genetically defected and manipulation is in their genes….

  • That’s why I always belieVe in FOOTFALLS than the collections . Footfalls are the perfect testimony of a films success or star power

  • first five days of raees you show less than trade figure.every time boi right.shame for you because you support kaabil

  • Disappointed with your article!

    A few questions:

    1) How have you managed to calculate these figures? Do you know every single screen that is running the film and do you have contacts everywhere?

    My opinion: That’s highly impossible if you are not the producer of the movie.

    2) If you have collected these from your “reliable sources”, what makes you trust them when they cannot be loyal to their producers and leak the collections to sources like you and other websites?

    3) Haven’t you put credibility on stake by trusting your “reliable sources”?

    4) What makes you think Raees collections are manipulated? 2 of your tweets on 25/01/2017 (on Twitter) said the word of mouth for Raees is positive. So for a film with SRK, +ve WOM, Nawaz, Brilliant dialogues and mass-oriented, isn’t an 8.5 cr normal? Just because you want to blame Kaabil, you blame even Raees?

    My opinion: completely unfair

    5) Finally, why don’t you put an about page on your website or come out in public of who the “Indicine Team” comprise of?

    You have put your credibility at stake and I am very disappointed with the article. You have thrashed Kaabil but not presented a strong case against it. You should have either released the audio clip or have provided some strong evidence to prove your case. Just blaming two big films to gain some publicity is a cheap act. Never thought I would say this on your website, but unfortunately I am.

    Finally @indicine I don’t care if this gets posted or not. My message was for you and not for the world. Hope you read it and come with some better articles that will give you the credibility and also the respect you deserve.

    Suggestion: Stick to producer figures. They will not inflate it coz they will have to also bear the consequences (like higher tax etc). There are many websites which make their own figures (like BOI) and you are just planning to join the herd. Many people like me would just quit and find a new website if that happens.

    Good Luck and would be better if you can answer my questions (if posted) or reply me by email..!!

  • Watched Kaabil in Durban, South Africa on Saturday. This was the early 5pm show. The show was sold out. This was a well made movie and should make India proud that they are able to compete globally.

  • Indicine this is not expected from you atleast. I was a fan of your site till this article came out. Every morning i wake up 1st visit your site. Its all about SRK right. When other actor like salman n aamir give bigger of collection they are all true but when SRK gave it you call it manipulation. I still remember the craze the madness about raees inside n outside cinema hall even after opening 3 days. The nos provided are true but i think everyone now only targetting srk to put him down. Keep it up Indicine. I am quiting this site. Thank you.

  • i am not sure what forced Indicine to write this letter, they themself said in 1 QNA session if diff between trade and producer fig is less that 25%, they will go with producer figure.
    Now what i saw, Kaabil was inflating the figure from day 1 and by the time Raees started, Kaabil figure was already inflated around 30%. Now Indicine didn’t noticed this for first 5-6 days and now they are writing the article about it.
    Both movies are good and Kaabil is better than Raees but you should report what is correct and the fact is Kaabil forced Raees team to go wrong way and start inflating but even in that its only 10%.

  • @indicine, how could u say that Raees collections are inflated to levels of insanity even when theatres are empty…dont u know that Shahrukh khan knows the collections of his films till the last penny? ? specially when his films start collecting in pennies, from second weekend onwards..?

  • Amir Khan is the first person to start manipulation in the industry all his films not cross it’s collection and the dirtiest is Rakesh Roshan he is totally mental

  • Welldone indicne, I respect courage . Best article so far. Can’t wait for the krissh HNY real collections.

  • Its not just the collection figures .. Rakesh ji started with screen playing a victim card by saying kaabil released with 40% screen as compared to 60% to raees…. Sir by which method its 60:40 as raees released on 2700 and kaabil on 2400 approx respectively acc to various sites…. Mohenjo daro released with much more screens to rustom but rustom come as a winner…. I like hritik very much but not rakesh jii for his tactics and dirty game same with ajay devgan… That’s what I like about all the khans and akki sir they are not just superstars n ruling box office… Its their honesty n dedication they put in their work it doesnt get affected by the result of it…big Salute for red chillies n taran adarsh for not giving the collection figures anymore … They can’t say it directly but they are doing all they can do …

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