QnA: Why is an ensemble cast viewed negatively?

Q. Why is it that a top star working in an ensemble cast is viewed negatively by people today? Many of the Amitabh movies had 2-3 heroes in which he worked with Dharmemdra, Vinod Khanna, Shashi Kapoor, Shatrughan Sinha, Rishi Kapoor. Movies like Kabhie Kabhie, Amar Akbar Anthony, Naseeb had 3 heroes and these were movies in the heydays of Amitabh. Why has that trend reduced now and why people view it negatively for a top star? ANK

A. An ensemble cast isn’t a negative for any film. There have been instances in the recent past when big stars have worked in multi-starrers. Zoya Akhtar’s Zindagi Na Milegi Dobara had Hrithik Roshan, Farhan Akhtar and Abhay Deol. Even the upcoming Dilwale has two bankable male stars. Kabhi Khushi Kabhie Gham had arguably the biggest star cast of all time.

But if your question is specific to the biggest stars in the industry working together in a film, then the two biggest problems are economics and script. Economics because the market value of the three Khans is more than Rs 50 crore per film. When two or three of them act together, their fee itself would be more than the budget of the costliest film ever produced in the Hindi film industry. The next problem is the script, that has to do justice to all three of them. Salman wouldn’t want to be out shined by Shah Rukh and vice versa. And convincing Aamir will prove to be a herculean task in itself. Then, there are other issues like dates. As long as all three are at the top of their stardom, it’s unlikely to happen. Maybe in a few years from now, a top director and producer will bring all of them together in a film.

Q. Will Hate Story 3 buzz affect Tamasha collections? Wazir releasing 1st week of Jan Your take on that.The first week hasn’t been good from the past many years for the industry? – Aman

A. Not at all. The target audience of Hate Story 3 is completely different from Tamasha. Also, since Tamasha releases a week before Hate Story 3, it has one open week at the box office. If the word-of-mouth is good, it won’t be affected by Hate Story 3 in Week 2. If Tamasha disappoints, then the competition in Week 2 doesn’t matter. As for Wazir releasing in the first week of January, films releasing in this period haven’t performed well because the audience has rejected the content of those films. Back in 2011, No One Killed Jessica released in the first week of January and did well at the box office. Wazir will rely on word-of-mouth. If the audience like the film, it’ll do well, irrespective of the release date.

Q. 18th December is a normal Friday. Is it really possible for both the movies to collect 50 crore combined? And what is the expected screen space for both the movies? Can Bajirao Mastani touch 15 crore on day one and Dilwale 30 crore as to only a best result makers can hope of? What is your opinion? – Rahul Garg

A. The highest a film has collected on a non-holiday is the opening day business of Dhoom 3 (Rs 36 crore). Rs 50 crore is too big a number for a non-holiday release, something that hasn’t been achieved even by big films releasing on national holidays. The trade would be delighted if the combined collections of Bajirao Mastani and Dilwale crosses the Rs 40 crore mark on Day 1. That would be huge. We expect Diwale to be in the 20-23 crore range and Bajirao Mastani to be in the 11-13 crore range on Day 1. This could change once the music and song promos are out.

Part 1: Why is an ensemble cast viewed negatively?

Part 2: Audience and trade response to trailer of Dilwale?

Part 3: Will Ghayal Once Again affect Airlift at the box office?

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46 Comments

  • what is the actual and accurate budget of PRDP.. And how much it needed to collect get status of superhit/blockbuster..PLZ mention

  • indicine wht is the possibility of bajirao mastani averting the class at 18.12.15

  • Can Bajirao Mastani do 60-70 crore opening weekend in Christmas 2015 with clash as GKRR did 52 crore in 2013 (non holiday), considering its bigger than the latter?

  • I think jaani dushman and naagin had biggest starcast not k3g. what was total box office collection of so called overseas family drama k3g?

  • Upcoming films in last 6 to 7 week are..
    1. Tamasha — flop / just hit
    2. Hate story 3 — super hit
    3. Dilwale — flop / just hit
    4. BAJIRAO — hit / super hit = 150cr

  • my prediction for rest of the films of 2015
    tamasha-average/flop..bcuz people have no faith on ranbir kapoor’s products and its the kind of film that ranbir usually do & its not a holiday period
    HATE STORY 3 -HIT it has created huge buzz in small centers and songs are really chartbuster.
    BAJIRAO MASTANI-flop/disaster /all time disaster all the promos & songs failed,during a festival season no one will take a chance on this crap
    DILWALE-blockbuster..I don’t want to discuss the reason.but if it cross the life time business of dhoom 3 then it will be historic and SRK will treated as GOD among his haters

  • K3G had biggest stars
    1.Amitabh Bachchan
    2.Hrithik
    3.Srk
    4.Kajol
    5.Kareena
    Credit goes to Hrithik, KJo and Big B as well, but some people give only Srk the credit.

  • What is the response to the theatrical trailer of Dilwale among the general movie going audience and the exhibitors?

  • Upcoming films in last 6 to 7 week are..
    1. Tamasha — flop / just hit = <100cr

    2. Hate story 3 — super hit = 80cr

    3. Dilwale — flop / just hit = < 135cr

    4. BAJIRAO — hit / super hit = 150cr

    Only two films can be blockbuster BAJIRAO and HATE STORY 3..

  • Dilwale’s opening would be definitely more than 26-28 cr. I can assure you. Predicting 20-21 cr for an SRK movie is underestimating him. Remember he still holds the record for the highest opener ever.
    #Dilwale #18th #Dec #Storm

  • The industry was taken aback when Red Chillies Pvt Ltd and Rohit Shetty Productions decided to release their next venture, Dilwale, on their own instead of having a corporate house do the honours.

    The industry was taken aback when Red Chillies Pvt Ltd and Rohit Shetty Productions started selling territories in quick succession and with the kind of money they were asking in every territory.

    The industry was taken aback when Red Chillies Pvt Ltd and Rohit Shetty Productions started getting what they were asking for from distributors in every territory.

    And, obviously, all territories were locked except Mumbai and CI, where Red Chillies Pvt Ltd and Rohit Shetty Productions decided to release the film on their own via Rahul Haksar and PVR Pictures, and Akshay Distributors respectively.

    The industry was taken aback when Red Chillies Pvt Ltd and Rohit Shetty Productions decided to invite all their distributors to Hyderabad and show them more than an hour’s footage of the movie. (The production house also showed 30 minutes footage to journalists whom they had invited from across India. Not one or two but 119 journalists were invited to watch the shoot and also the movie.)

    It goes without saying that the verdict was unanimous: everyone who was invited for the sneak peek is of the opinion that this film will be the biggest blockbuster of the year, by far. Many say it might just become the biggest blockbuster the industry has ever seen.

    And now that the trailer and one song have been released, distributors and exhibitors believe that Dilwale will be unstoppable at the ticket counter. No wonder those who have the theatrical rights to the film, in various territories, are grinning from ear to ear!

    Prashant Tiwari, who took Delhi-UP and East Punjab for an unheard-of price, says he had faith in the film well before he watched the special footage. “The film has everything it needs to become the biggest blockbuster of not just this year but of all time. It has everything that a commercial film requires, right from action to comedy to romance to emotion. It is an Indian commercial film and the way it has been shot is unbelievable,” he says.

    Arun Mehra, who has taken the distribution rights of Bengal, Bihar, Jharkhand and Orissa, has an interesting tale to tell. He says he doesn’t receive phone calls late, not unless there’s an emergency. But on both nights, when the trailer and the song released, his phone didn’t stop ringing all night! Mehra narrates, “My phone started ringing and I was, like, what’s wrong at this hour? And each caller said the same line – ‘trailer dekha bahut maza aaya’. On the night of the song launch, that line changed to, ‘Kya song hai!!! Congrats on having four territories.”

    Tiwari narrates an anecdote. He says he thought he would have to struggle to get maximum screens but after the trailer and song, exhibitors have been pursuing him to get the movie. “I was a little nervous as the film is huge but the trailer and song solved everything for me. Now I know I’m going to get a record number of screens. I can’t wait for this hurricane called Dilwale to release on December 18.”

    Like Mehra and Tiwari, Manohar Wadhwani, who’s taken the distribution rights of CP, is totally confident of the film. He has already booked 180 screens out of 250 in his territory. “This is just the beginning and after the trailer and song, I’m more confident that I will block the entire circuit. My phone has never rung so much and I have never seen this kind of craze among exhibitors for any other movie,” says Wadhwani.

    Dilip Tandon of Nizam waxes nostalgic, saying that ever since Shah Rukh Khan made his debut to filmdom, the actor has ruled the Nizam territory. The audience in Nizam adores him and waits for his movies with bated breath. “And Dilwale doesn’t just have Shah Rukh Khan; it has Kajol with him and Rohit Shetty directing it. Moreover, Varun Dhawan is the current flavour. It’s not just distributors and exhibitors; the audience is eagerly waiting for Dilwale to release,” adds Tandon.

    Before he bought the Mysore territory, BH Basha had spoken to this writer and had claimed the writer’s friend was asking for a lot of money for Dilwale. Basha was referring to Gaurav Varma, CRO of Red Chillies Pvt Ltd. But, after he watched the movie in Hyderabad, he called this writer and said, “Your friend didn’t ask for lots of money; I’m lucky that I have this movie.” Then, after the trailer and song released, he remarked, “SRK is the king of Mysore and, looking at the response I am receiving, there’s no end to Dilwale.”

    Sanjay Bhattachrjee, consultant to Kinesis Distribution and who has taken Rajasthan, cannot contain his excitement. He says that after watching the movie in Hyderabad, he returned home the next day and immediately told the industry that the biggest entertainer was to release on December 18. “The song has created havoc. And I am not only talking about the industry but friends who have nothing to do with the movie business. They are saying this film is a must-watch for all movie lovers,” he says.

    Sunder Menon is aiming to create a few records in terms of how he’s planning to release the film in his territory. “This film will get as many cinemas as a Tamil movie gets. This is a BIG film and deserves a biggest release, and that’s what I’m going to do in my area,” vows Menon.

    Abdul Mannan Faruk, who has the Assam territory, doesn’t want to comment on the response. He has just two words to say about the film – “sure-shot blockbuster”.

    The countdown has begun for the BIGGEST entertainer of the year. This writer, who has watched most of the footage of Dilwale, would like to end this article SRK ishtyle by saying – “picture abhi baaki hai mere dost!” On December 18, let’s celebrate cinema with DILWALE!!!

  • @yuvraj yes we remember KKHH and Karan Arjun as SRK’s blockbuster movies. Don’t make yourself look like a fool by passing such statements like your fellow bhaitards Shaggy, tiger the chuha, navina, etc etc

  • @indicine
    My question is prdp needs how much collection in india to get blockbuster or atbb status ?
    Because it’s budget 100cr+ 20cr marketing + 50 cr salman fee = 180cr
    N producer already earn 45 cr satellite rights + 17 cr music right = 62cr.
    N it already needs 118 cr to recovered all cost but movie already earn 300 cr ( India + overseas collection) worldwide .
    Fox already in 180* cr. In profit
    Why some brainless people call it flop?
    People needs to study box office deeply before comments

  • ZNMD has ONE bankable Superstar & other two are not even STARS

    “HUM” Remake Wale has TWO Bankable SUPERSTARS

    Inducine don’t under estimate HRITHIK ‘s SUPERSTAR POWER

    srk need Superstars to give Blockbusters

    1, K3G … AMITABH JI & HRITHIK

    2, KANK .. AMITABH JI & ABHISHEK

    3, HNY … Abhi, Sonu, Jacky etc

    4, Dilwale .. VARUN DHAWAN

    5, Veer Zaara..AMITABH JI

    6, KHH…Saif

    7, Devdas…Jacky, Madhuri, Aish

    8, OSO…Salman, HRo, Akshay, Abhi ( Kya naam lu isme to bhara padaa hua hai , Naya to chodo purane actors bhi hai)

    aage kya likhu , Srk ki bahot jada badnami ho jayegi

  • Ha ha ha ha @indicine, where is prdp Saturday collection first time after 10 days film shows some growth in business and you didn’t post any thing about this.

  • ZNMD has ONE bankable Superstar & other two are not even STARS

    “HUM” Remake Wale has TWO Bankable SUPERSTARS

    Indicine don’t under estimate HRITHIK ‘s SUPERSTAR POWER

    srk need Superstars to give Blockbusters

    1, K3G … AMITABH JI & HRITHIK

    2, KANK .. AMITABH JI & ABHISHEK

    3, HNY … Abhi, Sonu, Jacky etc

    4, Dilwale .. VARUN DHAWAN

    5, Veer Zaara..AMITABH JI

    6, KHH…Saif

    7, Devdas…Jacky, Madhuri, Aish

    8, OSO…Salman, HRo, Akshay, Abhi ( Kya naam lu isme to bhara padaa hua hai , Naya to chodo purane actors bhi hai)

    aage kya likhu , Srk ki bahot jada badnami ho jayegi

  • On first day business of 18th Dec releasing film would be 29cr combine of DILWALE and BAJIRAO

    1. Dilwale = 18cr

    2. BAJIRAO = 11cr

    But after weekend 1st BAJIRAO will be winner in weekdays.

  • zeeshan- salman outshined srk in kkhh with his 20 minute role. read karan johar’s statement. and it is karan arjun not arjun karan, Salman was main lead and srk was supporter.

  • 21-22 crore opening day for Dilwale.
    It will flop in its lifetime figure.
    BM will have better WOM, and better content so
    BM 150-170 crore
    Dilwale 140 crore

  • @ hum dhakan waale
    no entry – Anil kapoor fardeen khan
    mujhse shadi k..- akshay Kumar
    sajaan- Sanjay duty
    jeet – sunny deol
    good tussi great ho- anitabh
    babul – amitabh
    bhagban- amitabh
    kick – nawaj , randeep hooda
    bajarangi- nawaj
    prdp- Neil nitin mukesh
    phir milenge- Abhishek
    London dream- ajay devgan
    janeman – akshay……..
    ………….. long list hai dear I think it’s enough abhi salame ishq v bolu kya ;)

    WO baat alag h amitabh Ji k sath 3 movies aur akshay k sath janeman ajay k sath london dreams sabhi flop ho gyi bcoz bhaai ki over acting ko ye dusre star chupa naa sake Lol….

  • @sidhi baat do u knw how boxoffice works….do you know diff between gross net and distributors share….if movie earns 300cr worldwide it doesn’t mean producer got all money….

  • @yuvaraj

    U want to take Karan’s statement lol

    Then as per him None can match SRK charisma and acting skills. So i guess, u agree with that also

    Salmon just falls flat in acting dept and the whole world including salman fans knew about it. I can’t just recollect even one film where he can’t outshine even the heroine of his movie and you are talking about doing it with SRK . lol

  • @ Hum Remake wale : As per ur logic even Amitabh needed other stars to make his movies hit as a large number of his movies had 2 to 3 heroes.

    Veer Zaara was hit due to Amitabh? He is just a support actor in these movies. What happened to Shamitabh then? Hny hit due to Abhishek? How much Abhishek solo movies earn nowadays? Any idea how much his ‘all is well’ earned?

    Hoping there was some sense in ur comments.

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