Kaabil and Raees: Inflated Box Office Collections and our estimates!

There comes a time when a strong stand has to be taken against the inflation of box office collections – which has crossed all possible limits with the release of Raees and Kaabil. The theatres are empty but the collections, both films combined, are at record levels for weekdays.

Before we begin, credit should go to Red Chillies and Excel for keeping the collections at reasonable levels throughout the weekend. They probably had no choice but to inflate Monday onwards because the other film would’ve otherwise overtaken them and that would mean negative reports in the mainstream media – which follows official figures. But that’s no excuse for inflation to levels of insanity when the film isn’t even collecting half of what they have quoted.

There’s been plenty of action behind-the-scenes too. A leaked audio clip had a PR instructing her people that the film has to cross a particular number on Monday. The producer of one of the two films had a spat with a leading trade analyst because he did not quote the official figures on his television show. Success has been celebrated multiple times through parties, numerous media interactions claiming victory – even though the final box office numbers of both films wouldn’t do justice to the stardom of both stars.

What’s been most embarrassing for the industry and the trade is the sheer desperation from both sides to spread the word through the media that the two films are bigger successes than they actually are.

From our site’s point of view, exposing the lies and revealing the truth has quite a few negative effects too. We could lose out on visitors, our traffic could drop, because the craze for box office numbers has reached such a stage where people only want to believe the source that quotes the higher number.

But with the producer numbers crossing all limits of sanity, our credibility, which we’ve built over a period of more than 10 years, is at stake. It’s disappointing because we haven’t been able to do what we love to do. We love analysing the trends, predicting the lifetime collections, giving our readers comparisons between different films – unfortunately, inflation of collections has killed our own interest and has also stopped us from posting our daily box office reports.

Some other random thoughts:

  • The Indian box office is immensely difficult to track, especially the single screens / fixed rentals. On a daily basis, almost impossible. Most figures that are put out are estimates based on collections from multiplexes, links to live theatre samples, circuit figures etc.
  • But inflation even happens at the exhibitor (theatre) level and more so at circuit level – depending on which star or film they are siding with. Very few are neutral and even fewer are honest when it comes to these big films. For example, we receive Rajasthan circuit figures from two different people, and both are quoting different figures for each day.
  • The ‘trade source’ which most people quote, has been at it too over the first few days. Not including collections from the dubbed versions is wrong and completely writing off one film on the first day of release itself is unethical, especially in a clash when the reports aren’t as bad a Mohenjo Daro. Also, 5% inflation of one film and 5% deflation (reduction) of the other, can make a massive difference to the final outcome. Which is why we think, if Rakesh Roshan had kept the figures to actual levels, his film would’ve still been at a fairly good total going in to the second weekend.
  • Also, who takes into account the ticket sold in the first weekend through brand promoters? Without taking any name, a huge amount of tickets were sold in bulk at discounted prices to corporates and brand promoters in the first weekend, which helped boost the collections. As per information from industry insiders, this itself is about 10% of the first extended weekend collections.

And finally, we are putting our own estimates for the two films. Believing it or not is your choice, but we’ve put in immense amount of work in the last few days gathering data from multiple sources – verifying and reverifying – before putting it out. We are going to stick to these numbers from now onwards and the lifetime total won’t be the official figures released by the producers.

A lot of questions are now going to come up with regards to the data already existing on our website. Like collections of a Krrish 3 or a Happy New Year, but be rest assured that the next couple of months will be spent in changing the data on the website. Both the collections and verdicts will be changed. Stay tuned for more.

Our estimate, day-wise, for both films below. Do note, we haven’t yet verified collections for 2nd Friday, which has been marked with * symbol.

RAEESKAABIL
Day 119.758.50
Day 226.0016.25
Day 312.758.00
Day 415.0011.50
Day 516.7513.50
Day 66.504.75
Day 75.754.50
Day 85.204.00
Day 94.503.50
Day 102.752.75
Day 114.004.50
Day 125.005.75
India Total126.7 crore87.5 crore
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307 Comments

  • cheaters…especially a BIG SHAME to SHAHRUKH…accept that u have LOST ur STARDOM…STOP bringing more SHAME to u…SORE LOSER

  • Please just give us the ‘trade figures’ which even if it is your own figures which you verify then thats good enough for us -your readership….!

    Those who want to believe figures from producers or other media outlets like ‘JADOO DAILY’ or ‘The Pluto Times’ etc etc are free to do so.

  • Good job indicine
    In the coming time, indicine.com is going to be the platform for tracking box office collections of indian movies.

  • And i am really happy that i never cared for box numbers reported for producers.. the two sites boi.com and boi.co.in are best in this work.. so only their reporting matters for me..

  • @indicine Lots of people arguing that the – who is more honest about collections between Kaabil and Raees? my take is if there is not any honest exhibitor. then who are we to blame producers.
    its looks most of the exhibitors are from bigger stardom side. Rakesh Roshan already blamed the exhibitors to give 40% of less screens to them. Kaabil’s content is good but stardom is not huge as srk. i think is totally one sided politics. now people should decide blame to whom.

  • What is this indicine when kaabil was inflating you were shut but now after raees inflation of 1-2 cr. each day you are getting restless and are trying to demolish your own whole belief system.. are you going crazy? You want to change your own websites records of collections of every film in the past..and when nobody trusts boi then why would anyone will trust your collections you are no special…just be real follow producers collections because would want to pay extra tax for inflated collection and also it is a possibility that the producer may inflate collection in initial days but in second week they compensate for inflated collections and show us the reduced collection from original.

  • So does Raees still have the potential for highest grossing film of January or will that record remain with Airlift?

  • as a result
    Biggest Opening Day Collection – 40.35 Cr Prem Rathan Dhan Payo
    Wow…,,
    Poor srk fans….. Hu Hu hu

  • @Indicine
    Will you change the Verdicts & Collection of 90s Movies too?
    Because I know
    Even 90s Collection & Verdicts were manipulated.
    Dont you think
    eg.If Rakesh Roshan & SRK Can Manipulate Krrish 3,HNY,CE & Kaabil Collection then they must have manipulated their 90s Verdicts too??

  • now on ward you should track for all movies which is good , kaabil is not a single threater movie and do note that PRDP is not a 200 cr movie the actuall collection for that movie is 191 cr

  • Its refreshing to see a website come out like this despite us all knowing very well that traffic from Paglapur, Bakrapur, Mordor, Pluto, Manipulationpur n ofcourse Jaaduland will diminish but still many kudos to you guys…!

  • Indicine pls answer…..if raees stops at 125-127 lifetime by trade fig. But producer shows 140-145 and next week realease jolly will do 135 crore. Then which film will consider as hihest grosser of 2017 till now…

  • Read this point ????
    “Also, who takes into account the ticket sold in the first weekend through brand promoters? Without taking any name, a huge amount of tickets were sold in bulk at discounted prices to corporates and brand promoters in the first weekend, which helped boost the collections. As per information from industry insiders, this itself is about 10% of the first extended weekend collections.”

    So called stardom of Worlds biggest Superstar ,he was booking whole theatre just to save his reputation ,srk knows he will be finished if he doesn’t do this ….
    Thats why I call him and Kjo Businessman…
    Fake stardom exposed ,out of 90 cr dome by raees in the extended weekend ,12-15 cr r his own money he spent to prove his stardom….He is the most desperate person who wants to go ahead of everyone …
    Do u guys really think #Raees you tube views likes r genuine ,if u really believe that u r either idiot or very masoom.
    Well done Indicine Great article

  • Hatts off to u Indicine for ur stands on these shameful practice. It needs to stop.
    Excellent article and analysis.

  • We are at the stage in which we can’t give anyone’s honesty.
    Indicine said that – ‘ticket sold in the first weekend through brand promoters?’ now this may be only possible with Red chillies. because exhibitors are on there side.
    (how to know exhibitors on Red Chiles side – Because exhibitors gave 60% of screens to Raees)
    one sided politics

  • Keeping aside box office collections… kaabil will b remembered as one of hrithik best films….his best acting performance after km,guzarish, znmd,jd,agneepath, knph,…. sure hrithik will sweep major awards too….but no one will remember raees…it was mostly worked in opening weekend due to srk presence and worked best only in muslim dominated area….rest in all over country its a flop…
    So after all this ….
    Kaabil great movie…great acting by actors…loved by everyone…
    Raees just avg movie for diehard srk fans..

  • I want to ask you indicine, why is raees trade estimate collection same all the website,but in case of kaabil there is lot of difference between trade estimate collection??
    Can you explain it???

  • Indicine how di you know that this is the real collection , this must be not real too . how can you put this is the real collection shame on you too . trade collection should be wrong too . actually no one knows the ral collection for every movie .

  • Both should be blamed for this…. Srk targeted clash and thought that he will win this clash and will get his position will come back on track and the screen sharing ratio was also in his favour…… Rakesh Ji started doing manipulation from the first day itself to make people realise that they should not clash with him again and that he can beat any actor and then red chillies and Excel also started this manipulation game…. #BotjAreEqualyWrong #CantBelieveIt
    Both Srk sir And HR very very big stars and didn’t need to do such awfull things to prove their stardom

  • @ Romance….. Really Wait

    ” A lot of questions are now going to come up with regards to the data already existing on our website. Like collections of a Krrish 3 or a Happy New Year, but be rest assured that the next couple of months will be spent in changing the data on the website. Both the collections and verdicts will be changed. Stay tuned for more.”

    Ouch….. What a Tight Slap From @indi…..
    Poor man starts Crying…lol …
    Shame on U man….,,,

    #FakeStradom

  • #indicine so finally indicine accepted that raees maker giving fake collection..of raees movie ..!
    Riveting article first time i saw..on indicine website…!
    You have done stupendous work..for your readers..!
    Kaabil is good movie but ruined the movie to give fake collection.

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