Kaabil and Raees: Inflated Box Office Collections and our estimates!

There comes a time when a strong stand has to be taken against the inflation of box office collections – which has crossed all possible limits with the release of Raees and Kaabil. The theatres are empty but the collections, both films combined, are at record levels for weekdays.

Before we begin, credit should go to Red Chillies and Excel for keeping the collections at reasonable levels throughout the weekend. They probably had no choice but to inflate Monday onwards because the other film would’ve otherwise overtaken them and that would mean negative reports in the mainstream media – which follows official figures. But that’s no excuse for inflation to levels of insanity when the film isn’t even collecting half of what they have quoted.

There’s been plenty of action behind-the-scenes too. A leaked audio clip had a PR instructing her people that the film has to cross a particular number on Monday. The producer of one of the two films had a spat with a leading trade analyst because he did not quote the official figures on his television show. Success has been celebrated multiple times through parties, numerous media interactions claiming victory – even though the final box office numbers of both films wouldn’t do justice to the stardom of both stars.

What’s been most embarrassing for the industry and the trade is the sheer desperation from both sides to spread the word through the media that the two films are bigger successes than they actually are.

From our site’s point of view, exposing the lies and revealing the truth has quite a few negative effects too. We could lose out on visitors, our traffic could drop, because the craze for box office numbers has reached such a stage where people only want to believe the source that quotes the higher number.

But with the producer numbers crossing all limits of sanity, our credibility, which we’ve built over a period of more than 10 years, is at stake. It’s disappointing because we haven’t been able to do what we love to do. We love analysing the trends, predicting the lifetime collections, giving our readers comparisons between different films – unfortunately, inflation of collections has killed our own interest and has also stopped us from posting our daily box office reports.

Some other random thoughts:

  • The Indian box office is immensely difficult to track, especially the single screens / fixed rentals. On a daily basis, almost impossible. Most figures that are put out are estimates based on collections from multiplexes, links to live theatre samples, circuit figures etc.
  • But inflation even happens at the exhibitor (theatre) level and more so at circuit level – depending on which star or film they are siding with. Very few are neutral and even fewer are honest when it comes to these big films. For example, we receive Rajasthan circuit figures from two different people, and both are quoting different figures for each day.
  • The ‘trade source’ which most people quote, has been at it too over the first few days. Not including collections from the dubbed versions is wrong and completely writing off one film on the first day of release itself is unethical, especially in a clash when the reports aren’t as bad a Mohenjo Daro. Also, 5% inflation of one film and 5% deflation (reduction) of the other, can make a massive difference to the final outcome. Which is why we think, if Rakesh Roshan had kept the figures to actual levels, his film would’ve still been at a fairly good total going in to the second weekend.
  • Also, who takes into account the ticket sold in the first weekend through brand promoters? Without taking any name, a huge amount of tickets were sold in bulk at discounted prices to corporates and brand promoters in the first weekend, which helped boost the collections. As per information from industry insiders, this itself is about 10% of the first extended weekend collections.

And finally, we are putting our own estimates for the two films. Believing it or not is your choice, but we’ve put in immense amount of work in the last few days gathering data from multiple sources – verifying and reverifying – before putting it out. We are going to stick to these numbers from now onwards and the lifetime total won’t be the official figures released by the producers.

A lot of questions are now going to come up with regards to the data already existing on our website. Like collections of a Krrish 3 or a Happy New Year, but be rest assured that the next couple of months will be spent in changing the data on the website. Both the collections and verdicts will be changed. Stay tuned for more.

Our estimate, day-wise, for both films below. Do note, we haven’t yet verified collections for 2nd Friday, which has been marked with * symbol.

RAEESKAABIL
Day 119.758.50
Day 226.0016.25
Day 312.758.00
Day 415.0011.50
Day 516.7513.50
Day 66.504.75
Day 75.754.50
Day 85.204.00
Day 94.503.50
Day 102.752.75
Day 114.004.50
Day 125.005.75
India Total126.7 crore87.5 crore
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307 Comments

  • Boxoffice is Temporary.. But the Movie & Actor’s performance is Permanent. People will forget the Boxoffice, they have nothing to do with Boxoffice. KAABIL will be remembered as Hrithik Roshan’s one of Best works in his life while Raees already have been rejected.

  • Accept whatever it is. . Who told them to go for clash? It’s a movie business. .Not an election. . Now suffer its too late

  • Do not understand your statement justice to stradom. The fact that RAEES has collected 115 cr is only and only because of SRK’s stardom. In fact it would be the highest grossing film of Jan by the end of its run. (real collections). What more do you expect?

  • Rakesh roshan now seems to be a master in manipulating with box office collections..he did it with krrish 3 and now with kabil….. where’s the credibility now!!!! Gosh…..feels bad when something happens with a film involving a superstar like hrithik…shame!!!

  • I can clearly see you guys are favouring raees from day one. And as mentioned in the article exact box office collections are hard to collect everyday.So who knows who is inflating?

  • Can’t blame Raees makers for that. They had no choice but to manipulate a bit.

    I think 1st day is easily above 20

  • This Is D best Ever Article posted by @indi

    HATS Off to @INDI
    Without a doubt BEST Bollywood website…..love U @indi

  • So considering the budgets, kaabil is anyway going to be a clean hit.. Looks difficult for raees though!! Would be great if you analyze and post an article on the same.

  • Kaabil collection are totally manipulate RCE is forced to manipulate Raees after weekned to complete with kaabil anyway Raees won the clash with huge 50cr margin by both trade n producers

  • Best article of 2017…Honesty is the best policy..You keep on tracking and publishing your own estimates and be rest assured that we will support you guys..It’s better to walk alone rather than following a bunch of fools..No need to publish these inflated figures we are happy with the estimates..And we readers can easily make out which film is inflating and which one isn’t. We aren’t going to get a single penny from whatever the figures these films earn, it’s just our passion that makes us follow these certain things..
    I hope from now onwards only your estimates are published.Keep up the good work and all the very best for future.

  • You Cannot be Correct Just Cuz Others are Wrong…There have been Past Instances of Inflating Movie Fig. with Both Actors as a Leading Man in Past…I can Understand it might be a Business decision but why Spoil the Crediblity of BoxOffice and Stoop So Low…No Offence to Any star but even media have been supporting this offlate…and It shd be stopped

  • I love this honest article once Singh is being also did the same…. I am Akshay pajji dieheart fan but beliving in truth rather a self satisfaction data… Kudos indicine for this brave step…. A true cine lover will visit more on your website after this article.

  • Who is “Indicine Team”? Anonymously making allegations, citing anonymous “sources”, this article is a sham.

    Step forth with your name , prove your case, or be quiet.

  • ” Indicine Team
    January 26, 2017 at 5:03 pm
    @Raj, we can confirm that the collections of Kaabil are
    close to what has been officially declared. The regional
    versions have collected 30 lakhs, and the Hindi version
    is closer to the 10 crore mark. This has been verified
    with several people in the trade. The collections are
    also higher than Mohenjo Daro across India.”

    Now @indicine , read your above comment and reply!

    • @Nipun, the Day 1 collections are still closer to the 10 crore mark and close to our estimates. At 10-15% range, we can still give the benefit of doubt to the producers because they know better than others. But it’s Monday onwards when both have completely lost it. 2nd weekend is worse.

  • What an EPIC article….. Just one Word BRILLIANT..
    HATS off to @INDI
    #MostTrustedBollyWebInUniverse
    #Honesty at It’s Best

    Really marvellous Work……. Love U @indicine team from Sri Lanka

    Ur regular user since 2015 [ my 1 & only ID kanz ]

  • According to trade, Raees inflated 14 Crs in first 3 days n 9 days on weekdas till now. Total inflation is Rs. 23 Crs. The first 2 days of Raees was fishy.

  • Cant’t Blame the Producers anymore Indicine has already said – ‘But inflation even happens at the exhibitor (theatre) level and more so at circuit level – depending on which star or film they are siding with. Very few are neutral and even fewer are honest when it comes to these big films. For example, we receive Rajasthan circuit figures from two different people, and both are quoting different figures for each day’

    i think this statement makes sense its a total clash so lots of exhibitor will be on Red chillies side because of stardom. they have already faked the collections. so film-craft with less screens and not the exhibitors on there side, thats why they quoted 1 cr extra. can’t blame them

  • Finally you spoke..But its late indicine as your cridibility is questionable for sure now.. You only spoke when this game is started by red chillies entertainment too.. Before that you kept on posting those inflated figures of kaabil without any question.. And tell me honestly, had the producers of raees not started inflating their numbers would you have posted this article now? You clearly over promoted kaabil as compared to raees and never questioned thier official numbers but when raees team started doing the same then it backfired you and to save your own credibility you finally came with this article..

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